These people make me sick....

If the party was at their house, fine.

As it’s at a hotel, this is ridiculous. A better solution would be to have a half-hour of no drinks when the boss’s wife could meet people, and then she could leave.

Here they do have many “dry” events particularly in Ramadan - but fair enough, alcohol is technically forbidden for Muslims.

I don’t drink myself, though not for religious reasons. But I find this one-hour-bar thing totally appalling in a country where drink is legal and socially acceptable (socially expected).

Siemsi - move to Ireland. Alcohol-free corporate socialising simply never happens. Except maybe at the AA Christmas Party.

Sounds like you have a problem if you can’t handle a couple of hours without alcohol on a Sunday afternoon. Have you considered getting help? It seriously sounds like you need to take a look at your lifestyle, and seek some professional advice.

Jumping to conclusions a bit, aren’t we?

Hey! That gives me a GREAT idea! How about a — get this — a “Jumping to Conclusions Mat”!

[…waiting for reactions…]

See, it’s a mat. And it has conclusions written on it. That you can … JUMP… to. Get it?

That was on TV last week for the first time in Ireland. What a great movie!

First of all, one can impose on a co-worker or one can infringe on someone’s rights. One cannot infringe on someone else.

But even if this is because of her religious beliefs, she’s neither imposing on the attendees or infringing upon theirr rights. It is not an imposition to go to a party without alcohol unless alcohol beverages are the only beverages that a person is physically capable of drinking. Since that is not a condition which exists in reality, that idea is right out the window.

Similarly, it is not a right to have alcohol at a party. It is not a right to have an employee holiday party at all. No infringement of any type, either. Period. Full stop. End of the track for that thought train, entirely.

There’s an hour of open bar. That’s more than anyone is in any way obligated to provide. Shut up and quitcher bitching.

Get a life Siesmi, I applaud the wife. Alcohol at parties is normal? That’s exactly the problem! Think about what her life is like, being the only sane person in a world that thinks that ingesting rotting yeast is an essential component of living. It seems there’s nowhere in this world you can go where drinking isn’t practically required! For one night she wants to not be a freak just becasue she appreciates the gift of life enough to want to experience it with a clear head at all times. Why should she have to have her home filled with disgusting, vomiting, piece-of-shit drunkards just because her husband is the boss? You don’t need alcohol, so get over it. So you’ll have to be sober at an uncomforatable social funtion for a few hours, boo-hoo; why don’t you just go the quicker route and slit your wrists? I’m sure she’s already realized that you’re normal and she’s crazy, so she doesn’t need your complaints.
And if I sound bitter, I am. I think life would be so much better if everyone worked towards appreciating it as it is instead of escaping it through substance abuse.

Pizzabrat and the rest who can’t read my fucking rant:

Please read my inital post. The party is NOT at her home. It is in a hotel.

I don’t know where the half of you are from…but where I am from (1st generation in the U.S. from Euro-born parents–Metro-Detroit suburbs)…alcohol is NOT tabboo and is generally accepted in the social circles.

For Christ’s sake…I do have a life! Thanks for telling me to get one.

Are you serious about substance abuse!??!?! What the fuck planet are you from? Oh, Planet Conservative Nimwits, is it?

Okay…fine. sipping my Vodka*

Most Americans I know are social drinkers. There is NOTHING wrong with that. ***doing a shot of tequila

Boy…this rant has got out of hand. But, I expected it.

Cazzle,

Um, yea. Could you recommend a nice substance abuse recovery center for me? Thanks. :smack:

OH! Another smilie. I’m bad :rolleyes:

pizzabrat, congratulations on one of the most idiotic, opinionated rants I’ve yet read. You may have issues with booze, but a lot of the world doesn’t.

Begone, silly one.

Seimsi, I’m with Naz. Drinkers don’t have to be a loud or belligerant to be annoying. Alcohol changes people’s moods. It makes them uninhibited and it decreases their mental capacity. If everybody is in the same state, then wheeeeee, it’s a party.

But if you aren’t drinking, then it’s not a terrible lot of fun to be around people who are, unless you get some sort of perverse kick out of maintaining your keen perceptions while observinging people in an impaired condition. They don’t have to be slobbering, falling down drunk or picking a fight. People who are drinking seem to just talk a little too loud, lose some of their ability to be considerate of others, and don’t make very good conversational partners. I find that people who are drinking, with rare expetions, are at best boring, and more likely annoying.

Please don’t think I’m being judgmental or anything. If you enjoy drinking with your friends, then fine, have a fabulous time. I’m also not against throwing back a few, myself, on occassion, and joining in on the fun. I’m just saying that if one has decided not to drink, it’s a total drag to be forced to come to a party where everyone is expected to drink. This is how it is at my husband’s company parties. We’ve learned to sit at the closest table to the door, repeated refuse drinks all night (No thanks, we’re fine with soda. No thank you, we don’t want any beer. Very kind of you to offer, but we don’t really want to do shots. No thanks no thanks no thanks!!!), try to be pleasant to our increasingly-inebriated tablemates, applaud politely during the Awarding of Certificates, and say quick good byes (Great party, Chip! Welll, that snow’s still coming down and we have a long drive home! Thanks again!) and slip out the back door before the loud music begins. Our department’s Christmas party is dry, and, astoundingly enough, people somehow manage to have a good time anyway, and we stay for the whole affair.

Kimstu, I dare not speak for Miss Manners, but my understanding of etiquette is that, no matter whether the occassion is for business or pleasure, the host gets to decide what to serve, and as long as the needs of the guests are attended to, none of the guests have any right to complain. I.e. if it’s a dinner invitation, the host should provide a nice meal, and if refereshments are served the host should be sure there’s enough for everyone, and some effort should be made to accomodate those who might have special dietary requirments. But last time I checked, alcohol is not a need, and no host is obligated to provide it, nor to provide warning if none will be served. Under no circumstances are the guests to tell the hosts how to run their party or criticize their hosts because the party didn’t conform to their personal tastes. Anyone showing such ingratitude should be ashamed of himself.

I think the one-hour open bar is a bit bizaare (I mean, either serve drinks, or don’t!), but it’s more than a little bit sad that so many people seem to feel that a group of adults can’t come together and celebrate the season and the year’s accomplishments without the aid of intoxicants. If you really are incapable of enjoying a party without alcohol, and you have come to feel that your have some sort of right to expect alcohol to be provided at every party you attend, then your social development must have been stunted at some point, and you really ought to look into making yourself suitable for civilized company.

Dear me, so many people are reading so much more into this than it deserves.

Look (correct me if I’m wrong, Seimsi) - it’s not about need, it’s about want.

It’s a Christmas party. It’s for the employees. This woman, who isn’t even an empoyee, is dicating what the employees can and cannot do at their Christmas party.

And if you can’t let your hair down, have a few drinks and a bit of craic at a Christmas party, then when can you?

Apparently parties require contracts to be signed upon entering, dictating the behavior YOUR NAME HERE [hereafter: Guest] must engage in to be considered a member of the party. All fun is the exclusive property of HOST’S NAME HERE [hereafter: Host]. All rights reserved.

Siemsi: Years ago, I was in your situation. I decided to attend a Christmas party where the boss was not serving booze.

My solution? Drink a nice, big, strong rum and Coke and smoke a fat doob on the way over. When you start coming down, leave.

Worked for me. Actually, that was about the last Christmas party I attended. I now avoid them on the grounds that I already spend enough of my life with my co-workers.

Siemski said:
“You are having the celebration/party for others. To celebrate something special. That should include not imposing your beliefs on others.”

So when I went to my cousin’s Jewish wedding, he was imposing his beliefs on me (I’m an agnostic)? And I should have railed against the way he hosted the reception?

feh

I can’t believe that nobody has picked up on this: that there IS booze there…you said there would be an open bar there for an hour. That usually implies that after that period you can still get a drink, but you will have to pay for it.

Ohhhh, I get it…you’re mad because you won’t have FREE booze for the entire night.

If, as you stated, the wife was imposing her views on other people (umm…cite? Sort of? Maybe you’re reading her wrong? Has she been known to go running around declaring that she’s going to make everybody stop drinking?), then there wouldn’t be ANY alcohol served there, now would there? Since there IS alcohol there, I fail to see how you can claim that she’s imposing her non-drinking standards on everyone else.

Podkayne: Kimstu, I dare not speak for Miss Manners, but my understanding of etiquette is that, no matter whether the occassion is for business or pleasure, the host gets to decide what to serve, and as long as the needs of the guests are attended to, none of the guests have any right to complain.

If they do not have the basic guest prerogative of declining the invitation without negative consequences in the workplace—something which is impossible in the case of a true social invitation, but which according to Siemsi is the situation here—then hell yes, the guests have a right to complain if the party plans don’t please them.

This is exactly why the whole concept of “business socializing” sucks unwashed moose ass (as Miss Manners would NOT say).

A fair point, Kimstu, on the subject of “business socializing.”

However, while, once again, I’m not exactly sure what Miss Manners’ take on it would be, from my point of view there are only two polite options: 1) go to the party, enjoy whatever refreshments one’s hosts offer, and thank them kindly for their hospitality, or 2) discover that one has a prior engagement that forces one to regretfully decline the invitation.

I still don’t think anything gives you the right to bitch about what your host puts on his table. Unless he, like, deliberately tries to poison you or something.

Why, at your own Christmas party. You know, the one that you take the trouble to organize and pay for.

I sure as HELL hope you weren’t driving to the party yourself.

:smack:

Guinastasia,

I think you need to take a pill. Perhaps a Valium and calm the heck down.

Please stop taking life so seriously.