Tough shit. Loser.
I don’t want a single penny of my taxes supporting you. if you can’t afford to handle your shit, tough. Buy your own food, pay your own rent, pay for your own medical treatment. Get a job or starve.
Welfare queen.
Why is my tax money paying for that?
Whatever. If you don’t want to believe that SSDI isn’t welfare, I’m not going to keep banging my head against your stupid.
Maybe you’d do better if you didn’t just believe what you are told.
The idea is to make it mandatory if she applies for any sort of welfare. Her choice to do it and get free stuff or not do it and no free stuff.
No, it isn’t. For one thing, I only “rant at liberals” regarding specific things, since I personally have many liberal views. For another, whether or not free or cheap BC is available has nothing to do with whether or not women who want welfare should be required to use some sort of long term BC.
For you, there are only opinions that must be either GOP or Dem?
Well, that’s one of the dumbest things I’ve seen for awhile. My goal is try to get people to quit doing things they cannot afford, because the government will bail them out, which is many things - you just happened to jump on the BC part. It has nothing to do with punishing anyone and everything to do with trying to rid of the dependency on the government that so many people have; some minor, others for damn near everything.
Not sure what any of this has to do with what I said.
So you agree that many if not most of the people who lost their homes or are struggling upside down went into it knowing it was a gamble? And that is OK with you because it was about their kids?
Apparently it cost $13K plus a year to attend a UC school.
I was actually thinking of Medicaid when I wrote that, but Medicare isn’t much better. When I was still in the biz, it was at least partially privatized, had a lot of problems with fraud and worked very hard at not paying claims outside of routine Dr’s appts and things like that. I also didn’t say that either one of them had failed.
Ah, then, you have an inkling of how bad it is here.
Are you aware that most of what you just said and none of your cite has anything to do with whether or not one can get SSDI by just “choosing not to work”? Is this considered to be a legit way to debate these days? It seems to happen quite a lot.
No, and sure.
SS is a pension plan. The government wrote in a disability rider.
Snort. Are you really so stupid that you think all that one needs is a note from a doctor to get SSDI? Is this what you folks do, throw out idiotic made up stuff just because you don’t like someone’s opinions on a subject?
Another snort. “Welfare queens” are supposed to be those who have kids in order to get things from the government that they haven’t earned or paid into. I, however, am taking back the money the government forced me to pay in for 35 years, at a loss BTW.
Your taxes are not supporting me. Before you continue to spread this lie, maybe you should do some Googling on the subject? Start here. And stop to think why it is that I am concerned about all the taxes I am paying to give people houses, food, healthcare and everything else - you all are taking money from us at a rate that means my husband and I may have to sell our house when he retires. So how about you all start teaching personal responsibility and delayed gratification - maybe by the time you reach retirement age, you will not be forced to support so many irresponsible people.
Really, the lack of knowledge on a subject you are are saying I’m a hypocrite about is stunning.
But I think the key passage is this:
These people appear to be choosing out of ignorance. They’re not saying “I have a serious medical problem but I’m going to choose to leave it untreated because I’d rather spend the money on something else.” Instead, they’re denying to themselves that their problem is actually as serious as it is.
Well, thanks for showing all that you are really the ignorant one. And your link does not show what you claim, it actually shows that Social Security will not go broke as many right wingers claim. And a third big failure it is clear that SteveG1 is channeling your typical Trump or tea party republican. Go bark your inability to learn to them.
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The FICA taxes that employed people like us are paying most definitely are supporting your SSDI benefits. As your own link says,
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And stop to think why it is that I am concerned about all the taxes I am paying to give people houses, food, healthcare and everything else - you all are taking money from us at a rate that means my husband and I may have to sell our house when he retires.
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This is either flat-out hypocrisy or just plain old cognitive dissonance. You’re bitching about the taxes you say you pay to help provide assistance for other people, but completely oblivious to the fact that other people’s taxes are also being used to provide the assistance you receive. (Yes, they are. Your own link clearly said so.)
You don’t think people receiving benefits partly supported by your tax dollars are entitled to have a child they can’t afford, but you have no problem taking it for granted that you are entitled to own a house you can’t afford while other people’s tax dollars pay for benefits to you.
Since it seems to be a matter of belief on your part that it’s not, I agree that there’s no point in banging my head any further.
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Well, glad you’ve made it clear what you’re advocating.
They are two clear and distinct schools of thought. There are other opinions, but these two usually represent the range of political possibility in this country.
And you will note that I did include a third option - yours - which oddly enough
First of all, it’s hard to get to the meat of what an ideology is really about without getting into a specific issue. Otherwise, everybody’s just handwaving and saying vague things about ‘freedom’ and ‘personal responsibility’ and shit.
Second, it’s the issue you brought up. You were the one accusing us libruls of heartlessness towards poor women and their potential offspring on the birth control issue.
I divided the political choice space up into, again:
- No birth-control assistance at all to poor women (standard GOP position)
- Make birth control easily available to poor women (standard Dem position)
- Force birth control on poor women if they want to eat (your position)
Which pretty much covers the waterfront.
Taking away a person’s control over his or her body is inherently punitive.
Option #2 is about helping poor women avoid pregnancy. Option #3 is also about that, but via bullying and extortion.
It’s also infantilizing that person: it’s the government stepping in and making their choices for them, rather than enabling them to make good choices for themselves. That’s how you condition people for dependency.
How do you figure it was at a loss? Hubby not planning on a long retirement?
Or are you including income taxes spent on national defense, law enforcement, etc.? All of that was just to benefit freeloading Welfare Mama, I guess, not you.
Did you read the part about the doctor with tachycardia?
I have no idea why you are fighting so hard against the idea that raising the cost of something makes some people not buy it even when they need it and can afford it.
So what? The Cal State system averages half that ($6704). Handy of you to pick the more expensive system for your example.
Deadbeat.
People do pay into the Social Security system. People who collect for a long time take out more than they put in.
Medicare Part A (hospital coverage) is paid for by the Medicare payroll tax. Medicare Parts B and D (physician and drug coverage, respectively) are mostly paid for by general revenues–the same source as TANF, Medicaid, etc.)
If someone is on SSDI with a condition that will not shorten their lifespan, they will likely take in tens or hundreds of thousands more than they paid. Any time they spend on Medicare (generally people are eligible for Medicare after two years on SSDI) and use physician or drug services they are taking in more than they paid.
You should have planned better. Had better jobs. Saved some money. etc etc etc etc. LOSER. I’m concerned about MY taxes.
We have so many GOP/Trump is stupid/malicious threads, I’m not sure which one is appropriate. But this one seems concerned with the ACA replacement (and anyway, needs a reprieve from the curlcoat show).
Do you think the new GOP healthcare plan should be transparent so we can all understand and debate it? Or would you prefer it be kept secret and foisted on the public with no debate? Either way, the GOP is catering to you!
And you can do the first two years in the community colleges for less than that.
Your disability payments are not a fucking pension plan, you parasite.
A pension plan will give EVERY contributor money back at the time they retire/leave the plan. A pension plan is designed as a savings plan, where **everyone **contribute when they are earning, and then **everyone **gets benefits when they are not.
But not you. No, you are special. **Everyone **contributes, but only the special people get benefits. Some of them deserve them, but others are likely fakers and cheats, who are getting benefits paid for by others. I wonder which one you are?
Social Security is not a pension plan at all, if you want to get technical about it. It’s an annuity.
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Not only is it secret - it’s hidden. It’s like a legislative scavenger hunt.
It would be funny if it weren’t, you know, life and death for people dependent on the contents of the super secret, hidden bill. (actually, it’s still kind of funny).
Sounds kinda like the GOP health care plan:
“It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying, ‘Beware of the Leopard.’”
-Arthur Dent
You’re just lucky global warming has reduced the availability of ice floes.