Or the ACA. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."
IIRC, though, the ACA was available - just really, really long and hard to read.
This has Rand Paul pushing a copier from room to room trying to get eyes on a copy. There’s a difference in the obfuscation.
Uh, that was the point of my posting that link. You all seem to think that your payroll SS taxes are going straight out to pay those currently on SS, but as the link shows, it ain’t true. There are billions in the reserve fund - or were in 2014 anyway. So, either my payments are sitting in that trust or your taxes are going in there and the trust is paying my benefit. Either way, no one’s taxes are directly funding mine or anyone else SS payments.
I don’t know what SteveG1 has been channeling nor do I know what Trump or the tea party has to say on this subject.
See above.
I “bitch” about people taking welfare who cannot be bothered to be responsible. Which I’ve said over and over, yet you all prefer to think that I am talking about every last person on welfare. I have also said over and over that my concern is with the ever growing movement to hand people more and more things that are paid by taxes, not the fact that safety nets exist. But of course, you all just don’t seem to get that intelligent people can hold differing opinions on different parts of an issue, instead of just saying “duh, welfare good”.
What in the world makes you think we cannot afford our house?
It’s always been clear, you and pretty much everyone else just likes to jump to conclusions based on almost no facts.
Seriously? You think that a person is either GOP or Dem in all they believe?
You didn’t finish this, but I will point out that what you included was your idea of what my opinion is.
Well, first off, I didn’t accuse you all of anything, I merely said something along the lines of “I thought you all were the ones who were supposed to be so concerned with children even after they are born.” Secondly, what I brought up was universal healthcare, not BC specifically.
And? You still haven’t stated why you think 1 & 2 have anything to do with 3.
Another thing you all do is exaggerate, tho I’m beginning to think you believe this. No one is taking away control, it’s merely a choice. And I’d think that any responsible woman would be glad to be given long term BC so she wouldn’t end up having another mouth to feed while she is trying to get ahead.
Option 2 doesn’t work for those women who think they are owed children whether they can afford them or not. Option 3 is only bullying and extortion in your mind. Some states are already requiring drug tests to get welfare - is that also bullying and extortion?
And there is the central problem - too many people on welfare have already been infantilized by the government. Such as having babies while on welfare - why worry, the government will pay for it! Then when they all grow up to be blights on society, the mother can wring her hands and talk about how hard she tried but everything was against them. Add in the free education, free or cheap healthcare, junk mortgage bailout and on and on, you start getting more and more people whose fall back position is to tell Uncle Sam they need money.
Uh, what? What does one have to do with the other?
The hell? Are you just making shit up now?
OK. I wasn’t aware there was a difference.
Yup.
I was eligible for Medicare right away and was forced to sign up for Part A. However, I have group insurance coverage so I don’t use the Medicare and didn’t sign up for anything else.
Where did you get your figure of “tens or hundreds of thousands more than they paid”? It all depends on what age they were when they went on SSDI, how long they worked and paid in, and the big one - whether they use the Medicare. You do realize that people on SSDI get (I think it was) 60% of what they would have received if they had waited until retirement age, right? And that it doesn’t go up to the full amount when/if they reach that age?
You have the right to be concerned about your taxes, but none of them are going directly to me in any way. For the rest of that, I think I may just start ignoring you since you appear to just want to accuse me of being what I am not and can’t be arsed to respond to anything I’ve actually said.
I wonder if you were drunk when you wrote that since it’s all contradictions.
Annuities are not paid out based on age or disability.
Meh, you are a thick one, but still you had to acknowledge that “either”; it is really stupid to then contradict yourself and add that other “either” because all the money goes to the fund, so unless you can show me the magical mechanism that separates the money going into that pool you can not dip into it without using the taxes of others.
Even the super right wing American Stinker Thinker agrees with the Pew Research Center, although they have stupid reasonings of why it is evil in their opinion.
The main reason why you are spewing nonsense is that to keep that reserve fund it is precisely thanks to the taxes from people that are working right now the reason why “Social Security is, and always has been, an inter-generational transfer of wealth.”
And of course since I have been living and working for more than 30 years in the USA you are indeed already enjoying support gained for my efforts and many others.
You are welcome, even if you are so dim to ever learn. But I post for others, not much for a Voltaire opponent like you.
I wonder if you’re just fucking stupid when you’re reading.
I think all those napkin sandwiches you ate had a very bad effect on your brain.
Let me make it simpler for you, parasite:
Pension: Everyone pays in, everyone gets money out.
Disability: Everyone pays in, only those who are disabled get money out… and also some cheaters and parasites like yourself.
Oh, and stop branding yourself as a bigger dunce curlcoat, Social Security or SSDI is not a pension.
An elderly relative of mine made a mistake and entered her social security money amount as a “pension” when applying to get more benefits from the state, the local government aid group saw that “pension” word next to the amount she claimed she was getting and instantly her basic state medical supplemental aid was eliminated. Took months to fix that error.
Even a red state like Arizona does know the difference between a pension and social security.
You are the one who wrote:
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I, however, am taking back the money the government forced me to pay in for 35 years, at a loss BTW.
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I am just trying to understand what, if anything, “at a loss” means here. Everyone who pays into SocSec, etc. (or a private pension) does so at a loss — until they retire, and have been retired for a sufficient time.
So what did your “at a loss” mean?
I certainly agree that your own words constitute “almost no facts,” but still, confusing and misleading as they are, they are the only evidence we have of what you’re advocating.
Anyway, I think I’m done trying to sort through those words. Cheers.
The fact that I’ve taken perfectly readable document images with my smartphone camera is the cherry on top of the absurd-image sundae. Do any of these guys keep up with the twenty-first century in any aspect whatsoever?
Only when it suits their purposes.
In their defense, once you hit 500+ pages, a smartphone camera isn’t really the best way to get a copy of the document.
Yes, but the Republican plan isn’t 500 pages. It’s 2 words:
“Fuck 'em!”
Your own words. You said that you may have to sell your house because you can’t afford to keep it:
If you do have to sell your house, then that’s just an example of somebody on government assistance having to do without something that they can’t afford. Which you say you’re in favor of: personal responsibility, living within one’s means, etc.
If you don’t have to sell your house because you can afford to keep it, then quitcher bitchin’ about how the terrible burden of taxes is dragging down your lifestyle.
If you as a disabled non-earner are too poor to maintain the standard of living you prefer, then according to your own stated principles (as applied to other people, at least) you should just suck it up and settle for a standard of living that you can maintain. Taxation’s not what’s making you poor: your own lack of income, because of your lack of working for a living, is what’s making you poor.
That “interpretation” is the exact opposite of what your link says:
When you paid FICA taxes years ago when you were earning, your tax money funded the benefits of retirees and disabled people at the time. Likewise, your current benefits are being paid for by the FICA taxes levied on other people’s current earnings.
You seem to imagine that current taxes don’t get spent on current benefits unless there’s not enough money in the surplus to cover current benefits, which is the very reverse of true.
This thread has been curled and coated by the curlcoat.
This isn’t exactly a fantasy unique to curlcoat. The idea that Social Security is actually a pot of money is an idea that is rather ideologically entrenched.
The idea is that Social Security payments are used to buy Treasury bonds, and that’s a “Trust fund.” If you’re thinking “uh, that’s just the government lending money to itself,” well, yes it is, but people can get pretty emotional that it’s not, for some reason.
In any practical sense, Social Security is a pay as you go system. Even if you pretend the Social Security treasury note shell game constitute a “trust fund” it doesn’t have any money left from the past; curlcoat’s alleged payments were paid to people long ago. She is collecting tax money that people are paying today. It is a matter of open discussion and public record that Social Security payments are reliant on people paying into it NOW. There is no giant vault of money where curlcoat’s payments are lying. That money’s gone.