Links, please? Lately I’m up to my neck in low-lying fruit.
LOL Ladies and Gentlemen we have entered bizarro world.
The stakes are very high, and a lot of us don’t realize that. Killing reform is the only option for the Pubbies, all other outcomes are losers.
If anything passes, no matter how watered down it is, no matter how weakened, people will benefit. (Well, duh!) Those people benefit, and their friends and their families, will credit the Dems. But, of course. And they will remember who was their friend come election day.
And this cuts across all demographics! North, South, East, West. Urban, rural. Blacks, whites, latinos, Latvian-Americans, gays, straights, hlippes, nerds, dweebs and geeks. Politics wise, that is The Precious.
So, to sum up: the Pubbies are already losing. Anything passes, they lose more. Something really good passes, they’re crushed, leaving only a greasy spot on the electoral floor.
Some of us expected a sensible, honest and open debate on the merits. Alas.
Well that and once UHC is passed you can’t revoke it, the government will be stuck forever in a cycle of fixing it if it doesn’t work.
Some of us were hopelessly naive, apparently.
It’s funny how similar the language is to the language used for DHS funding after 9/11. Except in that case the Democrats just bent over and signed off on any old thing.
The debate has been had, people are worried about higher taxes and having an albatross hanging around our necks. Pretending like that’s not a real concern makes you an Eeeenlightened librul!
mswas, just curious, do you have health care?
Yes. Begin straw man…now.
I recall Spider Robinson in one of his columns pointing out the problem with this sort of no-rules political behavior, referencing this bit from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid:
Republicans aren’t afraid that UHC will be a massive failure. They are afraid that it will be a massive success. DUCY?
Given that every other country in the first world can do it, I think we’ll be fine. Or are Americans incompetent in your world?
I think that’s very true, and why I’m okay with passing pretty much anything.
Once it’s passed, it won’t ever go away. I think both sides realize that.
One of the reasons I’m very frustrated with the Right’s reaction to these bills is I think the passage of some form of UHC are absolutely inevitable. While they rail against it, the Republicans aren’t engaging in the actual, pragmatic debate about what the bill will look like.
I’m surprised to see them wasting their bullets like this. They’re acting like Democrats, making the perfect the enemy of “the best we can manage.”
There are some people out there who believe we must fight against socialism. I am one of those people.
Tell me, does that fighting against the big mean boogeyman entail assaulting members of Congress? Or threatening them? Can I assume that you will forgo your Medicare benefits when you retire, if you haven’t already?
And there are some people who have been suckered into accepting a politically convenient and absurdly inaccurate definition of socialism. Are you one of those, too?
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism! Wait…not anymore?
Also, community organizing is a bad thing now?
Damn, these talking points are hard to keep straight.
I’m sure they are, athelas, so let me simplify it for you: whenever community organizing consists of intentionally distorting the debate, assaulting opponents, and shouting out those who disagree, it is bad.
Disagreeing with the health care proposal is fine. Bluntly stating that disagreement is fine. Finding ways to confuse people about the level of opposition, trying to shout down reasoned debate, attacking proponents of the plan: not fine.
Ah. So Cindy Sheehan, with the lies, hyperboles, and personal attacks, not fine? Could’ve sworn I heard the opposite at some point…
It may come as a surprise to you, but Cindy Sheehan is not universally revered by the Left. But since that’s your proferred tu quoque, perhaps you can point out each place in her “activism timeline” where Ms. Sheehan organized an army of stooges to actively prevent others from expressing their point of view.