THEY are the fascists, the traitors and the anti-ameircan liars

Way to prove LHoD’s point, dumbass.

The lies, hyperboles, and personal attacks launched against Cindy Sheehan make David Letterman’s gibes sound like vaudeville routines.

Also: your little wiki cite, no mention of the ultraviolence at all, droogie. Your lame attempt at equivocation… not so much.

Holy shit, dude! I have news for you! LEFTISTS ARE NOT A HIVE MIND!

I’ll wait while you reassemble the pieces of your blown mind.

GM and Chrysler added 28,000 jobs to keep up with the demand in the cash for clunkers program. That is bad to conservatives. I just do not know why.

Well, for one, it’s a success for a Democratic president.

Two, it’s a success for a black Democratic president.

Three, it is a data point to put the lie to one of the bulwarks of conservative ideology, that government involvement will always lead to misery and ruin. This is not to say that this is a sustainable, long term program. Honestly, I don’t have enough information to say one way or the other, and I suspect that it is not, budget-wise. But it seems to be helping for now.

Four, those are union jobs. O noes!

I’m probably leaving out a few hundred more.

For some reason economists don’t like employing people to dig holes and fill them up, either. I guess they just really hate workers.

Why do conservatives keep referencing Michelle Malkin?

Linking to an ultra-right nut job does not support your case that Republicans are not ultra-right nut jobs. Maybe try Rush, O’Reily, or Glen Beck for a more credible source.

Crafter_Man, I am curious about your views. What does socialism mean to you? You said in another thread that socialism is evil because you believe in the free individual.

Here is the quote for you:

I used your “let me google that for you” link (which, btw, is cool) and went to the first entry: wikipedia. Wikipedia seems to have a good definition of socialism. Here is a taste:

Fair enough. I am not for socialism either. I think it would be a bad idea and I would fight against it also. To me, free market capitalism seems to be a much better system.

Now that that is over, I have two questions for you:

  1. What does socialism have to do with individual freedom?
  2. What does the health care plan under discussion have to do with socialism?

Finally, some bonus questions:

  1. What do you think of Medicare? Are you going to partake when you are over 65? Would you eliminate Medicare, SCHip and medicaid if you could? What about the VA hospitals?

Stop!

Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, 'ere the other side he see!

What … is your name?

What … is your quest?

What … is the economic value of an unfill hole as compared to the economic value of a Dodge Viper?

They’re shaking in their shiny leather boots.

We put a man on the fucking Moon - I’d say we can provide heath care to all Americans given that we’re doing a perfectly fine job of providing it to all Americans over 65, all Americans in military service, all Americans in Congress and a pretty good number of poor Americans and American children. Anyone who says we can’t do as good a job for the rest of us Americans is either a liar or a damn fool.

One of the more baffling arguments, to me, is the “Americans are so exceptional that they are exceptionally incompetent” argument.

Socialism is paid for with my income tax. My money is my property. When they take my property, they take my freedom.

Socialists want the federal government to control every aspect of healthcare; in essence they want the federal government to own the healthcare business.

I’ll pay for my own healthcare. I have never, and will never, accept welfare from the federal government.

I would end any and all involvement of the federal government in healthcare. The federal government does not have the authority to have anything to do with healthcare. If you desire government-run healthcare, you should look to your state government, not the federal government.

Except for, y’know, possibly the most influential economist of the twentieth century.

He goes on to say that…

In other words, if you can come up with something better (say, taking gas-guzzlers off the road and putting people in newer, more efficient cars), that’s what a sensible community would do.

So you’re fine with localized socialism, but not with nationalized socialism. Besides the scale, is there a fundamental difference between the two?

The Supreme Court disagrees with you. Taxes are completely legal and constitutional, and yammering about your “freedom” doesn’t change that one whit.

I don’t believe you.

Why? What difference does it make? Are state governments somehow more capable or knowledgeable than the federal government? Is there something special in state constitutions that gives them the authority to administer healthcare? And why does “promote the general welfare” not allow the federal government to have anything to do with healthcare? Also, is the VA unconstitutional? Our soldiers get very good healthcare provided directly by Uncle Sam.

Heh. You’d be a shit covered dirt farmer if it wasn’t for the American Government. The government gives you way more than you give it. They give you safe roads to travel on, they give you clean water, they give you an economy that allows you to have a job and prosper. The government protects you from criminals with the police, from fires with the fire department and from invaders with the military. Public schools give us the workforce necessary to make all this happen. Our economy exists because of regulation protecting the weak, like you, from monolithic corporate interests.

You’ve been sucking at the teat of the government your whole life, you’d be a worthless failure without them. Huh… more than now I mean. :smiley:

We have a limited federal government - the federal government can’t do anything it wants, regardless of what the majority of the reps agree on. Again, it is limited. (I assume you were taught this in grade school.) The powers of our federal government are very few, and are listed in the federal constitution. According to the 10th Amendment, all other powers and responsibilities must be left to the states.

If we do not have a limited federal govenrment, then we should just throw away the federal constitution, as there would be no need for it.

Yeah, well, you just wait till the government gets its hands on Medicare!

From Coupling (‘Size Matters’):

You shouldn’t be so rude. I am a fascist, and not a traitor, and i love America just as much as you do. I do not like democracy, and cannot see where a Dictator could be any worse than what you are doing. You are attacking people for exercising their First Amendment rights, and you condemn them as anti-American. I suspect that you would lock them away and worse for disagreeing with your point of view, am I correct? These white aging elements that you so despise are what the left, and the right, used to call ‘people.’ But, because they cannot stomach the high handedness of the current regime, you call them names that you do not understand. You have no conception of what democracy entails any more than fascism.