That’s why I come to this board, the articulate, well reasoned, well thought out discussion and argument. I certainly concede the point to you. Moron.
Yeah, that’s what I said.
My point being that while some areas do have unchallenged incidents of brutality, this is hardly the case for the nation. Most areas don’t, and it’s a credit to vigilance on the part of the citizens threrein. You seemed to imply that anywhere someone challenges a cop, they’re subject to an ass beating and possibly arrest. This is hardly the case.
Brutality and unchallenged abuses are only a problem when apathy, ignorance and fear allow it. To simply resign to the idea that a cop may kick your ass and arrest you for a verbal incident, is apathy and gross ignorance.
Law enforcement attracts a lot of people who like to exercise power and control. Being anything other than polite to a policeman anywhere in America is to place oneself at risk.
(Exception being if you happen to know the particular officer)
I am neither supporting or condemning this (At this time) but I consider it to be a fact.
If you dispute this I would certainly like to hear why.
Well, sure. But it’s not a guarantee. Which is what I think some people are saying.
Of course, to a certain extent, being anything other than polite to anyone is to place oneself at risk for violence.
You obviously, have no idea what happened to that Rodney King cat. It’s plainly obvious. Slight hint- it had nothing to do with anything Rodney SAID.
And I have no need to articulate any thought to you. You proved long ago that you’re far from worth the time to try and articulate “well reasoned, well thought out discussion”. So bite me, Tightass.
Sam
county: How about some reputable proof of your assertions.
Well, I think that if you read the papers and watch the news you will encounter plenty of instances of police misconduct that support my position. Do you dispute this assertion?
Or you could do a field test and the next time you encounter a police officer, just assert your rights like Gawd says and call him an asshole and then go on to explain you have the right to call him an ignorant fucking shithead under the constitution of the United States. See what happens.
For me to be anything other than polite to any cop, in any department, anywhere in the U.S. is subjecting myself to risk of illegal physical harm and unlawful arrest.
That is an extraordinary claim. As such, it will require extraordinary proof.
Obviously, I dispute your view of law enforcement in America. I certainly do not deny that it happens; I’ve been personally slapped around by Chicago’s finest a few times when I was a teen. But to make that claim for the whole country, or even the entire CPD, is somewhat laughable. No, it’s completely laughable. To believe it, one would need to assume that almost every department in the country is corrupt, and almost every citizen is indifferent or fearful of their local government. One would need to assume that almost every department out there either has no knowledge, or respect for the constitution. Ludicrous. Perhaps where you live, but not where I do.
Since you make this claim, I ask: For what is the basis of this dim view of yours? Your claim is based on what experiences throughout this land? In other words, cite?
Well then you should have no problems finding hundreds, perhaps thousands of cites for us concerning police corruption and brutality against citizens who were nothing more than rude. I eagerly await them.
Chandeleur:
“I certainly do not deny that it happens” - Well those are your words and I find it interesting that you eagerly await proof of something you have already acknowledged.
It seems to me that a lot of people on this board read what they want into what other people say rather than reading the words at face value.
What I don’t deny is that police brutality occasionally happens. What I challenge is your assertion that being anything other than polite to any cop anywhere in the country is grounds for an ass beating and unlawful arrest.
Huge difference.
Also, nowhere did I say that police brutality happens everwhere, as you insinuate.
Your words, exactly.
county: Please tell me that you’re really not so dense as to not realize that your limited experiences and the stories in the newspaper do not constitute the reason people are drawn into law enforcement.
Or just admit that you’re talking through your hat.
Chandeleur:
“Your words exactly” - Absolutely and they haven’t been refuted yet. All I have heard is agreement, and some pissing about as to the extent of the risk.
She could have been arrested in West Virginia.
The argument about the severity of police brutality aside and back to the OP: I think what’s most worrisome to me about this incident is that the cop jumped to a big conclusion. If you see someone who looks red-eyed and bleary, they could have a cold or allergies, they could’ve just been told that their mother died, they might have been up all night in the ER with their best friend, might’ve just had their beloved cat put to sleep. There are a couple dozen good reasons why someone might look that way.
This cop jumped to the conclusion that NinjaChick was high. Nothing in her behavior supported that conclusion over any other, she wasn’t doing anything but going home on the train like hundreds of people do every day in all manner of conditions.
Worse than jumping to conclusions is the fact that he hit her with the dumb question. He was clearly trying to intimidate her, probably on the hopes that if she was high, she’d be so wasted that she’d say something that would justify a search and lead to an arrest that would help pump up his numbers.
Speaking personally, coming from the city of Amadou Diallo, I don’t want cops on the street who jump to conclusions, especially conclusions that pin illegal behavior on people who aren’t doing anything suspicious, especially in non-dangerous situations. Having lived in a city where the police force was under a federal consent decree because of their aberrant brutality (especially when dealing with women and minorities) I don’t want cops on the street who intimidate their way through their jobs, applying pressure and rudeness when a simple, straightforward question would work just as well, if not better.
It isn’t too much to ask that the people who walk amongst us carrying guns don’t act like they’ve got hair trigger tempers and a personal stake in getting in the face of anyone who doesn’t look the way that they want them to. It’s the very least we can ask.
I don’t know about “jumping to conclusions” - but he did ask a question and got called an asshole. I would give the points in that exchange to the Ninja.
There’s behavior and there’s appearance. Apparently, the cop saw something in the OP’s appearance that indicated to him the OP might be having a reaction to drugs.
Appearance, maybe he thought Ninja was “hot” and was using one of his best opening lines???
Hah! I don’t even want to know how he’d’ve incorporated “billy stick” into that!
Is this GD? Can I bellow ‘CITE?’
Yeah, something in ninjachick’s appearance may have inspired the cops behavior; maybe he thought a young, slight female wouldn’t stand up to him.
He was being a jerk, and got called on it.
BTW, NC, don’t do that anymore; you could get in trouble.
But thank you.