Things that bug you about Star Trek

I forget the episode title, but it was the one when they had Scotty up for murdering a woman. Turned out it was an alien that fed off fear and used to be Jack the Ripper. It was actually a pretty good episode except for Spock helpfully observing that the alien force targets women because females have less control over their emotions.

Oh really, Mr Seven Year Dick? Seems to me you should keep your pig-ignorant trap shut when it comes talking in sexist stereotypes.

Ooh, I guess I just lost control of my emotions, just like you said.
You shouldn’t mind me, since I’m a fluttery woman, and can’t control myself, you fucking asshole you.

Whoops, there I go again, you Vulcan bastard. I can’t control myself.

‘Wolf in the Fold’.

‘You’ll all die horribly! In searing pain!

‘Die, die, die, everybody die. Kill, kill, kill you all.’

IIRC, none of the 1800s Londoners raises a holographic eyebrow at Doctor Watson being a black guy wearing a what-the-hell-is-that-over-his-eyes visor – until Moriarty gets reprogrammed, at which point he apparently realizes what eluded Lestrade and the rest; but the point is, before that, it goes swimmingly.

Vic Fontaine, the holographic singer, had developed sentience, like the Doctor on Voyager or Moriarty on TNG. He was self-aware and knew of the space station outside of the holosuite, and that Sisko, Dax, Odo, etc., all had lives on the station. He could tell humans, Klingons, Bajorans, and Trill apart. At one point, he insisted that the holosuite be left on when no one was using it because he was aware when it was shut off and he experienced the passage of time while he was in a disembodied state.

I tend to agree with the Mission Log guys; the line about having one god came from the studio and not the writer.

And you can have many different beliefs about one god. :smiley:

As Just Asking Questions said, because it’s demeaning. All the men are talking about something important and in prances a yeoman (yeoperson? :wink: ) bearing coffee. I forgive TOS a lot and try to look at it in relative terms, but for some kind of utopian visionary Roddenberry was pretty sexist. Maybe he meant utopian for men only.

Actually, there’s a weird editing error (and arguably several plot errors) in that episode. There’s a brief shot of the holographic Moriarty (Daniel Davis) looking curiously at Data, La Forge and Pulaski before La Forge calls for the “Arch” (i.e. access to the holodeck control panel) and one of him being quite surprised by Arch’s appearance, and this is well before La Forge gives the computer the command to create an opponent “capable of defeating Data”.

I suppose one could fanwank that a bit - the character is Moriarty and his initial reaction is from recognizing Holmes within the context of a Sherlock Holmes fictional universe. It doesn’t explain why he seems quite taken aback by the appearance of the Arch, though, especially since other holodeck characters are going about their business as usual (we don’t see them during camera’s focus on the trio, but their movements are audible in the background).

Immediately after, he describes Watson/La Forge as “that dark fellow”, a detail I’d forgotten until reviewing. And when Moriarty experimentally calls for the Arch himself, only one other holographic character (a woman Moriarty was chatting with) notices. The extras wander around blithely as usual.

Holodeck rules are fickle at best.

Wrong! There was the black female engineer in “The Alternative Factor” (Lt McMasters, IIRC), even if she was in a blue uniform.

As noted elsewhere, Rand was mothering him. It would piss me off, too.

Putdown, shmutdown. You’re ordered to serve coffee, you serve coffee. You don’t like it, TFB. Buck up, or resign from the service.

Like like “I’m frightened!” were demeaning because Uhura, like all of the other secondary characters, deserved better writing.

Oh, there’s no doubt about either.

That line was stupid, and would be stupid even today. Plenty of Terran religions have more than one god, or a god who assumes many different forms.

It takes Captain America, not Captain Kirk, to utter a line like that.

Earth never seemed to have any separate identity or government separate from the United Federation of Planets, which you’d expect even if humans are the dominant species in the Federation. You have things like the entire Federation banning genetic engineering based on events in human history (the Eugenics Wars). IME the movies (& to a lesser extent TNG) to a better job at portraying the Federation’s multispecies character.

Agreed, Kirk would never have been allowed to utter that line without the last part.

That’s basically how Picard’s family was portrayed, except they seemed to be living in La Belle Époque instead of the mid-20th century.

Let’s not forget TNG’s attempt to answer the sexism argument with theskant. On of the many things I dislike about the reboot films is that they not only brought back the miniskirts from TOS they even made the uniforms skimpier & more ridiculous by removing the sleeves. Some of the dress uniforms look like something out of Starship Troopers

I recall Sisko being a bit disgruntled about the (pardon the pun) whitewashing of how a 1960s Vegas lounge would react to a black person. (Then again, Vic is clearly based on the “Rat Pack” guys, who were rather enlightened in that regard out of respect for Sammy Davis, Jr.)

He sure sounds gloomy.

Yes, well, Captain America is a product of a less enlightened era, when they boiled all their food.

1960s Britain?

1940’s America.

SAM WILSON: You must miss the good old days, huh?

STEVE ROGERS: Well, things aren’t so bad. Food’s a lot better, we used to boil everything.

Voice of Computer: Negative, there is no replacement Beryllium Sphere on board.
Gwen DeMarco: [to crew] No, there is no replacement Beryllium Sphere on board.
Tommy Webber: You know, that is really getting annoying!
Gwen DeMarco: [shouts] Look! I have one job on this lousy ship, it’s stupid, but I’m gonna do it! Okay?
Tommy Webber: Sure, no problem.

The absolute dumbest thing about Star Trek (beyond the fact that the ship’s computer is clearly capable of running all functions on the ship autonomously and the level of automation technology is such that “away teams” could be entirely composed of disposable robots) is that after developing some revolutionary scientific solution to resolve the plot complication of the week that should completely transform some aspect of their technology or society, they conveniently forget about it, often even if it would be useful in a later episode to resolve some new plot complication, or they make up absurd reasons why their otherwise technomagical capability cannot resolve this week’s particular plot problem. Basically, the world of Star Trek seems to be largely populated by drama queens with subnormal intellects and really short memories. It’s no wonder they got rid of Wesley Crusher; continually being shown up by some insufferable, snot-nosed kid who thinks that just because he actually knows how a “subspace communicator” actually works means he can tamper with a ship’s “warp core” and improve the efficiency beyond what the [questionably] best minds of the Daystern Institute can come up is just intolerable, especially if you can emote in dramatic Shakespearean fashion.

Stranger

They starships seem to be awfully prone to breaking down. Especially Voyager. They should have named that one Rickety Raft.

I always thought that what Kirk was complaining about was the snickering that would ensue from him having an extraordinarily pneumatic young woman assigned to essentially be his personal servant. ETA: or am I thinking of Captain Pike and Yeoman Colt?

Hey, this was the 1960s, when the miniskirt changed female fashion standards for all time. :stuck_out_tongue: Star Trek wasn’t unique in that respect, although it’s striking that they switched to this AFTER the pilot had women wear the same sensible uniforms as the men.

Parodied in Galaxy Quest, when Signorney Weaver complains that her character seemed to have no function except to relay orders verbally to the ship’s computer.

None of the uniforms were proper military uniforms. NASA told them the spacesuits of the future would look like long underwear, so they ran with that and added color and style.

Nichelle Nichols says the women’s uniforms were “liberating.” I’m not going to argue with her because HEY! she’s freakin’ Nichelle Nichols!* :o

*Check out her nude pictorial in EBONY. It’s on line, and yes, they are spectacular! :cool: