I knew it!!!
First you admit to being a memeber of HCI (creator of plastic guns and cop killing bullets)
Now you admit the indoctrination techniques of federal employement!!!
No way they are getting my guns now 
The thing is I don’t own a gun, probably never will. But if someone tries to break into my house at night and they say “I got a knife” I recite that old crocodile dundee line as I pull Excalibur off the wall. (a nice four four and a half foot blade, weighing quite a bit) Works nice for display, probably would be able to lop off a limb or two if needed, and I don’t have to worry about a five year old hurting someone cause they probably wouldn’t be able to lift the blade off the wall let alone the ground. Also, for everyone who wants to have guns unlocked in the home, why not use trigger locks or the like. Some people say you won’t have time to undo the locks if someone is breaking into your house… Well why can’t you be quiet and take your time to undo the locks, if someone breaks in they aren’t going to know where you are in the house.
Life imitates Klaatu!
Ok, so there aren’t any daughters, not even a wife for that matter. Still pretty close.
gEEk
RTFirefly, you are correct, I took a cheap shot at you and extend a full apology to you here. I’m sorry.
MadHun, I still don’t know what you are trying to get at.
This is a patently absurd claim. Not all shots at someone kill that person. However, if you feel the need to shoot at someone, you most certainly should shoot to kill. There is no other earthly reason to point a gun at them.
Would you care to show me exactly where the constitution mentions guns UncleBeer? If you’re referring to the second amendment then I’d have to point out that “fire-arms” and “arms” are two different things…
And Felice…actually I like dogs a lot, however I just couldn’t resist the humorous possibilities…
And I think you made a very good point, dogs are more effective than guns at protecting one’s home.
(unfortunately where I live we aren’t allowed to carry concealed dogs on our person. So they’re only useful in defending our homes.)
Still later, Gerald did a terrible thing to Elsie with a saucepan.
Geez, now we got foreigners telling us to put our guns away. That’s likely to sway a whole bunch of folks over here.
I’m a naturalized citizen of the US, and one of the reasons I moved here in the first place was the heavy-handed government in the UK standing on my shoulders trying to direct my life for me. (Boy did my shoulders get tired . . .)
In my opinion, to conclude that you personally do not need a gun is an exercise of your freedom. To conclude that I do not need one, and to seek to enforce that opinion, is an exercise of tyranny. The simple fact that there are those who would decide my freedoms based on their own whims demonstrates the need to remain armed.
Dr.Watson
“They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – B. Franklin
Just where in the 2nd Am. does it say anything about the right to bear arms to protect one’s home? I’m not saying anything one way or another on the issue, just that the Constitution is likewise mute on that particular subject.
If we’re inventing scenaria, how about this?
I break into your home, looking to rob a bit. You come at me with your handgun. Of course, since handguns aren’t very accurate , and I’m an especially smart criminal, I’m wearing Kevlar. You missed anyway, but you were unlikely to pierce my armor. I, on the other hand, always carry a sawed-off shotgun–easy to conceal, almost impossible to miss. I was going to just rob you. Now, I shoot you. Bits of your body splatter against the wall as you basically fall into two not-very-neat pieces.
Oh, and then I snack on your brains!
None of this would have happened if you didn’t try to use a gun on me.
We can invent anything we want. Imaginary stories are not proof of anything but an imagination.
Bucky
Oh, well. We can always make more killbots.
Just where in the 2nd Am. does it say anything about the right to bear arms to protect one’s home? I’m not saying anything one way or another on the issue, just that the Constitution is likewise mute on that particular subject.
If we’re inventing scenaria, how about this?
I break into your home, looking to rob a bit. You come at me with your handgun. Of course, since handguns aren’t very accurate , and I’m an especially smart criminal, I’m wearing Kevlar. You missed anyway, but you were unlikely to pierce my armor. I, on the other hand, always carry a sawed-off shotgun–easy to conceal, almost impossible to miss. I was going to just rob you. Now, I shoot you. Bits of your body splatter against the wall as you basically fall into two not-very-neat pieces.
Oh, and then I snack on your brains!
None of this would have happened if you didn’t try to use a gun on me.
We can invent anything we want. Imaginary stories are not proof of anything but an imagination.
Bucky
Oh, well. We can always make more killbots.
Sigh.
Dr. Watson
“Making graceful exit, Stage Right.”
Unc - apology accepted; no prob. Besides, I had fun parodying the circumstances of my employment.
But you want to know something? It’s not federal employees like me you have to worry about; there’s a whole bunch of Mormons in my office, and man, that left-wing bunch wants to take every dollar you own and give it to the welfare moms!
Whereas I want to at least leave you with a few bucks for beer… 
Enough of voting for the lesser of evils - vote Cthulhu 2000!
Of course, I can’t reveal any of the Illuminati secrets I’m privy to.
Say, who’s that at the door?
Hey, wait, what are you doing?!
You mean I wasn’t even supposed to tell anyone I know about the Illuminati?? You guys never told me tha… ::crash::
Exactly, Dr. Watson. This thread isn’t about outlawing guns. The OP’er (and his alter ego’s/secret identities) suggested that everybody needs a gun to keep to be safe. Anyone who disagrees with this proposition is therefore an “Anti-gun idiot” and out to deprive red-blooded Uhmurcans of their right to own guns.
Nobody said anything about taking your guns away. The question was, “Is your home more or less safe if you own a gun.”
Here’s my analogy of the OP’ers arguments.
You are much safer from attacks by Mothra if you have Godzilla chained up in your back yard. Therefore you are safer, therefore everyone should own a Godzilla.
Never mind the fact that your homeowner’s premiums will skyrocket due to the exponential increase in the risk that your house will be crushed by a 60 foot electric monster. Not to mention the ungodly Godzilla Chow bills you’ll incur.
Are you referring to actual women here? Or are you saying that a man who is not willing to own a gun, or who is not willing to kill, is not really a man? Feeling inadequate lately?
BTW, in the movie The Day the Earth Stood Still, the alien visitor, Klaatu, “solved” our problem of violence by revealing that if we did not agree to be policed by indestructible robots, our planet would be incinerated. In other words, a police state would be imposed on us against our will. Supposedly, this police state would be acceptable since robot policeman are also incorruptible. I disagree. (The original short story’s surprise ending had Klaatu reveal that Gort was his master.)
Since you do not seem to be in favor of a police state, I wonder if you have even seen the film or if you’ve forgotten most of it, and simply thought “Klaatu” made a cool UserName. Or maybe you’re being ironic, though I doubt it. The proper use of irony takes intelligence and wit.
When all else fails, ask Cecil.
Well, first off, Jab, yes, I have seen the movie many, many times, and have read Farewell To The Master, by Harry Bates.
But I do not equate my UID with any particular philosophy I may hold. IOW, you are jab; I am sure that doesnt mean you “jab” things all the time <g>. (apply that to many names on this board, thats silly, see the thread about names)
To the rest:
The OP was to make people think. (In hindsight, perhaps the title, and some wording was a bit strong, for that I dont apologize)
Sadly, as long as there are a few hundred million guns in this country, there will be a need for citizens to defend themselves and their family against armed intruders.
I wrote that OP after I saw the Clinton administration make the first grader shooting a “poster girl” case for “trigger locks.” (like a bunch of crackheads would give a shit)
I didnt make the OP as a blanket pro gun rant, just to point out (see above) that guns are here to stay, and sometimes assholes WILL come into your house.
If you prefer a baseball bat or a dog, fine, I prefer a gun.
I did not intend at all to “broadin” this into a gun control debate, there are plenty of threads about that.
A lot of ladies I know, many with kids, agree with the OP. Many do not. I will not back off from that.
And BTW, to whoever mentioned “alter egos/identities”…Yeah, I have lurked here for months, read all the crap, but sorry, I come up with my bullshit all by myself.
Klaatu Barada Nikto?
Gort, I meant to say burrito
RTFirefly says:
They do make these gizmos.
They’re called “guns without any bullets” and they work great. In the house I live in now, I can’t have all my guns laying around, as that would be really irresponsible. One of my roommates has two young children (14 and 10) and they are there (he’s divorced) about 2 days a week. So I can’t just leave all my firearms laying around.
So I do the responsible thing and lock 'em up, with trigger locks, and keep em in a locked steel desk.
This also keeps me from shooting my brother and his guests, but that’s another thread altogether.
Anyway, the only one that isn’t locked up is my 12-gauge, (HK Benelli M1S90 for anyone who might want to know) and it doesn’t have any shells for it anywhere in the house. And it is out of sight as well.
This gizmo makes a sound exactly like a loaded 12-gauge when racked. Amazing. And there is no chance that one of my roomates daughters is going to find it and blow someone’s (possibly her own) head off.
Okay, I guess there is a small chance of this happening.
If one of them manages to get a ride to Wal-Mart without her dad knowing, then waits around for someone who is 18 or older to buy her the right shells, if she knows what they are.
Then she would have to come to where I work, or otherwise find me, then convince me to give her the key to the trigger lock.
Then find the thing,
Then figure out how the trigger lock works. Then figure out how to load it.
Then play with it until she kills someone. Wow, it’s almost too plausible, I should go home right now and avert a tragedy. :rolleyes:
“Winners never quit and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots.”
So as a foreigner I have no right to an opinion? Get a grip. I would love for you to provide examples of the Government directing your life. Strict gun-control laws are hardly an example of that.
To be honest I couldn’t give a fuck if you all continue to blow each others heads off, you know what you have to do to combat it but cling to the good ol constitution because at some point in the past guns were an integral part of your culture. I’ve already stated my opinion and all I can say is thank God I’m not likely to meet any of you Pro-Gun Idiots (as the OP might put it) in a darkened alley. Happy blasting!
UncleBeer
Well you’re a proper little John Wayne aren’t you? I was simply pointing out how easy it is to end a life, think of it as a metaphor for a TV remote control: don’t like that show, ZAP no more show; don’t like that person BANG no more person. Just seems rather too easy to me. I notice how you conveniently ignore the second part of what I said. I presume you don’t agree with the lock and key thing, rememberring that you have fired thousands of rounds and not hurt a fly.
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with all due respect for those who want to own a gun, i think your reasoning sucks.
through out this tread i hear the same arguments; “a properly trained gun owner”, “could have prevented…”, “my gun will save me…” and “woe to those who annoy me”.
so every person is supposed to be given a gun and trained in using it? doesnt that include the criminals?
another thing, if you are a criminal and know that every possible victim of yours is potentially armed with a gun, what do you do? you get yourself a gun. f*** the 2nd amendment for allowing people to kill each other based on defence. it is like expecting people to attack in the first place. thats alot of trust in humanity.
the only way to be sure for a criminal to successfully rob a person is to shoot that person first…
point being: its better to get robbed than get killed.
bj0rn - living where guns are used for hunting(pistols are not used for hunting).
MadHun -
What the hell are you talking about? What does a trigger lock have to do with how often I shoot? And just for the record, no, I don’t believe trigger locks to be much of a safety device for a couple reasons.
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They will be used mostly by already responsible and safe owners. The gun control lobby promotes trigger locks as a panacea; they will cure all accidental shootings. Well, that ain’t gona happen. The irresponsible owners and criminals who have stolen guns just aren’t going to use them. Much like this little shooting we had in Flint, MI recently.
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I’m single and live alone. Why should I be compelled to use a trigger lock. Anyone with access to my guns either has my permission and is under my supervision, or they have entered the premises illegally. If you think a stolen gun with a trigger lock is not going to be fired, I would suggest you take a look at some of the locks that are commercially available today. It wouldn’t take much to pry some of those off the gun. And an attempt to pry them off a loaded gun may make that gun prone to accidental misfire.
John Wayne - I prefer to think of this as safe and responsible handling, not some Hollywood cowboy action. This is the easiest way to never shoot something you don’t intend to; just don’t aim the goddamn thing at anything you don’t want to shoot.
Sheesh.
Oh yeah, MadHun. Here’s a third reason I oppose trigger locks.
How do you enforce a law like that? Do you propose registering every gun and invasions of your home by federal agents to make sure all guns have trigger locks in place?