How fucking stupid are YOU?
What, just because something is a constitutional right means that it can’t BOTHER anyone now? Gee, thanks for allowing my my right to have my own thoughts! She didn’t say “There are some people out there who own guns responsibly. I will allow that” she said "There are some people out there who own guns responsibly. I don’t mind that"
Sheesh. Fucking idiot.
–
From an actual catalog: “Disco balls create an enchanting, dazzling effect of light shafts, adding movement and glamour to any occasion” the Abrams’ bris was certainly memorable
O p a l C a t www.opalcat.com
I’ve been thinking about this thread, and this is my conclusion.
I don’t like guns. I don’t think people should own them. I hate it that I fear for my sister, who is a sophomore in high school. I think America’s adoration of violent weapons is sick and twisted. There is one reason and one reason only that I don’t support complete gun control. And that is that altering the Second Amendment would be set a terrible precident. How long would it take for the First Amendment to be changed after that? Sure, you can have free speech, but no flag burning. Sure you can have freedom of religion, as long as your religion is centered around Jesus. I know this is paranoid, but I’m envisioning The Handmaid’s Tale as the future. I’m pro gun control up to the point that the Constitution has to be altered. That’s where I draw the line.
Well, how about extremely difficult without a key? How about a lock so tough to remove without the key, you end up destroying the gun and rendering it unusable?
Then your dream has already been realized Kyla.
All the laws that can be in place regarding gun control without egregiously altering the Constitution already are, for the most part. All the guns that kill students in high school and all the guns that kill first-graders and all the guns used in violent crime are obtained illegally. If you make more laws, you are not going to lower these things happening. And you are not going to make them harder to get either.
The only way to control guns is to have them or not have them, and that is never going to happen in this country. Either they are totally illegal or they are not, and that’s that. And even so, criminals will still have access to them one way or another.
Good thing too, because if the government takes away our right to keep and bear arms, then our other freedoms are an inevitable eventuality.
At that point it will be time to exercise our right to alter or abolish the government by any means necessary.
I know I sound like a psycho, but I am just trying to portray how complicated the issue is.
This issue is not something you can just say “guns suck, we should ban them” about. It goes way beyond that. The ingenuous nature of your response makes me gag, as it seems as though you should’ve added giggle and gosh! to it. It really makes you sound naive, like a dumb blonde.
I don’t know you, so I won’t make summary prejudgments, but based on what you said, you seem uninformed on this subject.
Do you ever watch the news?
Try a little research and then forming an opinion, not vicariously sharing the opinion of someone else, or just forming one based on uninformed supposition.
“Winners never quit and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots.”
Well, GEE, Lexicon, that was rude. You admit that you don’t know me, but that doesn’t stop you from insulting me. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t make me an idiot, or ingenuous. In fact, I was trying to state my point of view as simply as possible, without going into any anecdotes or hypothetical situations. My statement that I don’t like guns makes me uninformed? Maybe I should start subscribing to the NRA newsletter - after I read a few columns by Charleton Heston, I’ll want to go out and buy some shotguns, right?
I’m going to stop now, because the more I write, the more annoyed I get.
No, I don’t think it would be possible to get all the guns off the street, primarily because of that second group. I think that trying to get all the guns out of the US would be an exercise in futility. Which on one hand, I think is sad, but as I said, I would oppose any infringement of the Constitution.
I probably should stay away from this debate in the future. Simply because I don’t agree with the majority does not make me uninformed. ::sigh::
Kyla: I don’t know how informed are you? What studies and research have you read or done on the subject? You started your post with “I don’t like guns.” This is hardly a compelling factual argument, and it isn’t all that unusual either. It is the natural reaction of most civilized people, but it is akin to “I think prostitution is icky”. Well, that is all well and good, but just because I find prostitution icky doesn’t make it a good reason to make them illegal. Okay, so you don’t like guns, you probably don’t have it in you (at this time) to take measures to develop a proper defensive mindset or use countervailing violence. That is all fine, but have you studied the subject so that you know what it is about, so that you can understand the people that do? This isn’t about an “adoration” of guns. This is about self defense. I don’t love my gun any more than I love my hammer. It is a tool, it is a part of my “arsenal” of tools for my protection, ranging from solid locks and doorframes, alarms, unarmed techniques, mindsetting techniques, predetermined escape plans to, yes at the last stage, my gun. Do you understand self protection? Do you understand how it works? Have you studied the subject? I don’t know, how informed are you?
THANK you. Absolutely the best way I’ve heard it put! Yes, I agree, guns are part of the tools we use for protection.
Now, that being said, and my previous posts notwithstanding, I absolutely abhor the gun grabbers, yet I don’t own one.
Why? Because I have a child, because both my SO and I drink (and no, I’m not saying we’re freaking drunks - I’m just saying that when two people drink, arguments can crop up, tempers get heated and for christ’s sake, why up the ante?), because I don’t feel it would be responsible for me to own one at this point and frankly, don’t feel the need to. But dammit, when I choose to and feel I can own one responsibly, I don’t fancy the fact that my rights to do so will have been taken away by a bunch of whiney, liberal, let’s-do-the-wave-everytime-someone-mentions-the-poor snotnosed uninformed flower children.
Oh yeah, that’s right. If you advocate gun control you are obviously some sort of soft-as-shite, liberal, meddling in matters best left alone. You fucking idiot.
You don’t even fucking LIVE here. Who the hell are you to tell me or any American what the fuck is best for us, right or wrong for us, or good for our own goddamn country especially when your superior-minded ass can’t even come up with something better that “You fucking idiot”? What the hell “enlightened” country are you from anyway? Or are you just another reincarnation of MHL?
Get your stupid, uninformed, whiney assed nose out of the fucking American (yep - that’s right - AMERICAN) government, issues, and business you little troglodyte. It affects you in NO way.
The OP is ridiculous. If a homocidal maniac made it past my dog AND my husband, then I"m pretty much at his mercy.
Because if my gun is rendered safe enough to keep in my house, with young children, then the gun has to be LOCKED up. Let’s just say that the gun case happens to be in my bedroom. (Which, of course, renders it useless for a middle-of-the-day, in-the- kitchen-attack, but I digress. Perhaps I can just have a locked gun in each room…) I can picture me, hearing this guy threaten me and my children as he comes up the stairs, and me shaking like a leaf, rooting through my sock drawer for the gun cabinet key (it has to be hidden remember, or the kiddies will find it), then fiddling with the lock IN THE DARK so I can get my gun out.
If I’m REALLY lucky, maybe the perp will stop on the stairs to pick his toenails, so I can arm myself.
An armed and unlocked gun is a far bigger threat to the safety of my children than a theoretical homocidal maniac. And an unarmed and locked gun is useless in the event of a surprise break-in.
Oh my God, who let Roseanne on the board? Listen, sweetie, I have made it clear that I couldn’t give a fuck if you go around blowing each others heads off. Go on. Do it.
You are obviously suffering from some sort of mental illness and I pity you; I pity you because you are incapable of accepting the quite reasonably asserted view of an individual with a strictly neutral standpoint. You need to calm down and read what you just posted. Hopefully you’ll see how juvenile and ultimately self-defeating your post was.
Look you insufferable little twit, I have neither the time, nor the inclination to sit and argue with someone was woefully uniformed, uneducatable and shallow as you appear to be. For someone who thinks “trigger locks” are a figment of someone’s imagination (see this bozo’s previous posts to UncleBeer) you are about as ignorant about firearms as you are about my country.
Further, well no - I’d say “bite me” but that would just be sinking to your level, wouldn’t it? Fucking idiot.
And here are some examples of your, “reasonbly asserted view” from this very thread.
[ul][li]You crazy Americans and your “right to bear arms”. This isn’t Frontierland kids, it’s a supposedly civilised society. Whatever way you look at it, you fire a gun, you kill someone. They’re dead and you’re a headfuck and your country slides further down the slope. The UK has it’s headfucks but they generally don’t go around shooting people at random, and when they do the legislative wheels are put in motion and we at least try to do something about it. Flame at will…[/li]
[li]I didn’t think I had to qualify that with “at someone” but, for the hard of thinking, you fire a gun at someone, you kill them. If you want to go to a firing range where any weapons used are stored under lock and key and not taken outwith the environs of said club, then fair enough. If you want to sleep with it under your pillow in anticipation of a random act of violence against you, you’re a headfuck.[/li]
[li]You fucking idiot.[/ul][/li]
There are other examples, but I think these are enough to prove the point that you aren’t quite as calm and reasonable as you think you are.
have you finished inventing your own words? Good. If you put as much thought into your postings as you did into your carefully contrived insults you might be worth reading. As it is you are happy to fire of volley after volley (no pun intended) of bile with no real point other than “you’re an asshole”. As for my “uniformed” (sic) opinions well, damnit, inform me! If you want to recap, we are both posting our opinions…citing statistics can only improve my argument and diminish yours but I’ll hold back.
If you actually want to discuss this then I suggest another thread, you might find that I don’t want to strip you of any rights…fuck I don’t even know what your rights are! As stated before, I am coming at this from a neutral standpoint, I am suggesting ideals, however impractical they may be. I agree that changing your constitution sets a dangerous precedent but I don’t really agree with the "kill or be killed ethos that you have. There, managed that without any hint of a flame.
