"This episode contains discussions of sexual lifestyles."

You know how sometimes on television shows they have those strange disclaimers for whatever reason? Like on NYPD Blue (or something) they’ve had the “this episode contains violence, bad acting and Jimmy Smits’ ass.” disclaimer for several years.

Usually those don’t bother me because they’re fairly accurate. But tonight, before the episode of Boston Public, whoever makes those decisions decided that the following disclaimer was necessary:

“This episode contains discussions of sexual lifestyles. Viewer discretion is advised.”

GAAAAAAAH! Not only is this incredibly fucking annoying and backward, it seems to be a mite … overdone? There have been DOZENS of episodes of half-hour sitcoms and hour-long dramas in the past year or so that dealt with sexuality. Maybe it’s my memory, but I don’t recall A SINGLE BLEEDING ONE OF THEM having any sort of disclaimer attached to it.

And of course this only feeds the common misperception that one’s sexuality somehow determines a certain lifestyle (as we discussed in Hastur’s recent pit thread). However, in this case it isn’t some idiot saying “just keep your lifestyle out of my face”. It’s a fucking television station.

What can we do to ensure the proper folks at Fox get the idea into their crania that it isn’t a lifestyle but an existence? My mother thought that writing to the folks who advertised during the show might get Fox some bad PR, but I’m not entirely sure any advertising execs at the various companies who bought airtime (and I wrote them all down) so much as saw the episode beforehand.

GodDAMN this pisses me off.

Sigh. I was flipping channels and I saw that.

“It’s taking longer than we thought.”

Does FOX have an address we can send angry mail to?

Here we go.

This is for the local guys, just in case it’s one reactionary station that’s doing it…
7. How do I call/write/E-mail my local FOX Network Affiliate?

ANSWER:
Go to the FOX Website main webpage (http://www.fox.com) Then click on the LINKS icon for your LOCAL STATION’s Paper Mail address, Phone Number and/or E-Mail address (if applicable). I cannot guarantee they have an E-mail address, but it is a good place to start with your comment/question.

Aaaaand here’s the e-mail address for feedback:

askfox@foxinc.com

Enjoy, everyone.

To me, “lifestyle” PERIOD is a silly term.

Hee-hee! punha watched Boston Public!! :wink:

From dictionary.com:

**life·style also life-style or life style Pronunciation Key (lfstl)
n. **
A way of life or style of living that reflects the attitudes and values of a person or group: “It was a millionaire’s lifestyle on the pocketbook of a hairdresser” (People).

Eh. This seems trivial to get upset about. English is an imprecise way of communicating. Even though it may not be accurate to associate someones sexual preferences with their other habits, behavior and preferences it doesn’t seem unreasonable to describe that particular aspect of them as being related to their “lifestyle”. Is it the fact they used the term “sexual lifestyle” thats upsetting? Or the fact that they put a disclaimer on this particular episode when they haven’t on other sexually themed episodes? This just doesn’t seem to be a big deal to me.

Grim

Hey, punha watches BP lots of time. As does Zoggie..

"Coming up next, on a very special Blossom. . .

…Six reveals the shocking origins of her name!" :eek:

JFTR, whenever someone uses the term “gay lifestyle” I have taken to asking them to define what they mean by the term, as it is never clear from context whether it is the sex life or the entire gamut of activities (clubs/bars, membership in HRC or GLAAD, etc.) that they’re speaking of.

Not once has anyone answered that request with a clear statement of what they meant.

The term “lifestyle” as it is applied to gays comes off to me as a diminishment of our lives.

Our lives do not rotate around sex any more than a straight person’s life rotates around sex.

Sexual identity and the group one becomes affiliated with creates a culture and shared experience which is not based in sex but in commonality.

I have not seen one life, gay or straight, that is the same. To use the term gay lifestyle is in my mind to claim that there is one way that all gay people live. When I’ve seen people use the term on television, it always comes off to me to have a salacious context, assuming that our lives are all about sex.

You know, were that the case, it would be like Margaret Cho said in her stand-up act… we’d all get desensitized and not be interested in ass anymore.

:smiley:

Yeah, I agree. Boston Public does suck.

What?

I sent as respectful a letter as I could muster to Fox (no, I didn’t insult them … at least I don’t think I did). I’m going to post it in my livejournal for anyone who wants to read it.

Glad to know that I wasn’t the only one who was taken aback by it. What I want to know is if they put a discalimer on the episode where the controversy du jour was the use of the word nigger, or if they only did it when it involved homosexuality? Not that I am defending the disclaimer, I though it unessacary.

Though I did like the line “This is the sock of homosexuality” . Thats where it went, I lost it the last time I did laundry!

:: looks around guiltily ::

Um…WHICH straight person?

:: clears throat ::

Uh…

DEFINE “ROTATE AROUND SEX”!!!

LOOK JUST BECAUSE I HAVE A SEXUAL THOUGHT EVERY 1.2 SECONDS DOESN’T MEAN MY LIFE ROTATES AROUND SEX!!!

Fenris

PS: Kidding aside, I agree with what Hastur said.

PPS: I heard the “sexual lifestyles” thing just as I was rushing to the TV to turn off Boston Public. I hate that show. Then, as I was grabbing for the remote, I heard someone’s mommy grounding them for leaving used condoms in the toilet. At that point I switched the TV off.

A couple of thoughts keep roaming through my head:

They probably chose the term “lifestyle” particularly because it seemed innocuous and unlikely to piss people off.

If something that you do isn’t a part of your “lifestyle,” than I guess that means your dead, so it seems difficult to argue with the accuracy of the term.

I’m pretty much living the married-with-a-kid “lifestyle,” in a sterotypical sense, but I don’t see how acknowledging that diminishes my personal choice or how I value it.

Hastur said this:

I would object to that. Nobody anything says can diminish your life unless you chose to make it so.

Ummm. Hastur, dude. I’m no expert on the “gay lifestyle” per se, but I’d be willing to bet that neuturization isn’t a part of it.

If I’m correct in that, and a gay person’s life revolves around sex to the same degree that a straight person’s does than this comes off as a pretty silly statement.

I mean, guys in general are pretty much all about sex. Period.

If your life doesn’t revolve around sex, what is it that you do do?

What are you doing wrong?
Finally, if we’re getting pissed off at the word “lifestyle,” is it possible that we’re getting just a littly touchy on this subject?
Our lives do not rotate around sex any more than a straight person’s life rotates around sex.

I’m in agreement with Scylla here. Lifestyle is probably one of the least-offensive words they could use right now, and this time next year that probably won’t be the case.

The problem I see is that everytime someone comes up with a word to describe a touchy subject, eventually that term falls out of favor. It picks up some connotation, or implied meaning that sets someone off. Or someone who wishes to force the issue picks it up as a rallying cause, when it was meant to be neutral in the first place.

On the other hand, I agree with Hastur’s OP too. Ya see, I don’t see the term they chose as being the problem. That they felt the need to do so, is the problem. Human sexuality has been chewed over by most every major drama on prime-time television at this point, covering a wide range of topics referring to gender, age and ethnic issues. And in most every case, these shows ran the risk of offending a fairly vocal minority to make some sort of point, or simply “reflect the issues facing us today.” Either way (and I apologize for rambling here, as my mind keeps think up the different possibilities, the point I’m making here is) the great offense they’re really worried about, and the one Boston Public is making here, is trivializing an issue.

deep breath

It’s not about harsh subject matter. That’s what drives their show, and shocking people is nearly as good as ratings in their business. Cross-dressing teen? After ratings, they’ll be measuring the succes of that episode by how much mail they get.

Where they make their mistake, and where Joe Consumer gets aggrivated is when they trivialize things. It’s bad enough they’re going to manipulate social issues to get our attention, but they really shouldn’t be so obvious about it. “Sexual lifestyles?” Drug use, eating disorders, ADD and other psycological medical problems, criminal behavior, attempted murder, these are apparently part of our every-day lives now, but we might not realize our friends and neighbors don’t do it in the missonary position every night.

I watch Boston Public, and rather like it. I’d never say they’re an acurate reflection of society, they’re not where I live at least, but they manage a fairly consistent world in their little TV show, which is what the integrity of a drama like that is based on. The come out and preface an episode with a warning like this hurts that integrity. “This is what our kids face,” they tell us, then warn, “but this one particular topic might really freak you out.”

When I was in High School, if someone in our school was arrested for robbing a convience store, it’d be big news. PTA kind of stuff. Drug problems? Well, I did hear where my home town high school has had to bring police and drug-sniffing dogs through the school. It’s been a hot topic for sometime. If one of our teachers wound up in the hospital, stabbed by a student? I imagine the world would stop in our little town.

If one of the male students wanted to show up for prom in a dress, seriously expressing his sexuality in the midst of our small, very Southern-Baptist town. Well, it’d be a fairly non-event. If the school board didn’t restrict him from the prom beforehand, he’d probably be escorted out from the dance. Parents would be outraged, PTA meetings would rage at School Board meetings, kids would shuffle around school treating him like a pariah, and eventually some “arrangement” would be made to let him finish the term (or likely his school career) at some other public school.

Yeah, I basically grew up in a cave. You wouldn’t believe what college, and the Straight Dope have done for my world view. But the point is, while this hypothetical drama would probably make for a good show (albeit with a sad ending), after a week or two everyone in my home town would have forgotten. We’d be arguing about the drug problem for months, cycling around once a year, I bet. We’d discuss the students with criminal records until they graduated. The teacher who got stabbed would become legend in the halls of that school. Someone with an “alternate sexual lifestyle” would probably be remembered until they graduated (or otherwise left), and no more. It really doesn’t stack up to violence, crime, and police patroling the schools.

I don’t want to see my home town treat someone like that. Hushing things up, quietly sweeping everything under the carpet. On the other hand, I don’t want to see signs at our town borders warning people, “Population xxxx, some with alternate sexual lifestyles.” Want to attack bigotry? Go ahead, but don’t pull your punch up front. If you can face death, disease, and criminal behavior, then putting up a warning flag in front of sex, gender or race is only going to be a slap in the face of any halfway intelligent individual.
There, there’s my rambling, nonsensical rant. If you don’t understand it, I agree with everyone. If you do understand it, then I’m on you’re side, really!

inkblot

So then, Scylla and inkblot, do ya’ll care to take a stab at defining “homosexual lifestyle” then?

The part that irritates me (for those of you who were wondering) about the use of the word lifestyle is that it indicates that there is some universal thing that ALL HOMOSEXUALS do because of the fact that they are gay. Other than being solely sexually attracted to people of their own gender (and acting on that attraction), who can name for me ONE SINGLE thing all of the following people do that is dictated by their sexuality*:

andygirl
MrVisible
Daowajan
Esprix
matt_mcl
Tiburon
Hastur
Anthracite
gobear
Freyr
jayjay
Kirkland1244
Otto
boitoi
Hamish
Captain Amazing

[sub]I’m pretty sure they’re all gay…[/sub]

*Had to add that last bit (dictated by their sexuality) because of course they have all posted on the SDMB, and I know there’s at least one person on this board who would pick that nit for all it was worth.

Okay, see how you had to get more specific than just “heterosexual lifestyle”, a term that would have been vague and silly? “Homosexual lifestyle”, however, is supposed to be enough for gays; the fact that they’re gay is supposed to trump everything about their lives and serve as the title of their entire lifestyle. Also, it’s diminishing because it robs gays of individuality.

Nonesense. Words can diminish one’s life in the eyes of someone with the power to diminish the person’s life in the real world. That’s what “debating the issues” is all about.

It can. Depends on the person.

You’re not correct. It depends on the individuals.

No, “lifestyle” is one of the most popular buzz words used by enemies of gays to attack us. It conjurs images of a corrupt, universal way of life shared by all gays and it distances gays from the mainstream popualation in the minds of straights. “Homosexual lifestyle” implies a alien way of life that’s completely parallel to normal life.