Dammit! This space-bar is Still not an up-vote button…
Here is the FBI’s stance:
** There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).**
I’m glad you asked me to quote it because some of the sources seem to truncate it a bit. The FBI cites “force and violence” which is significantly different than the code as quoted elsewhere. Given that it has to be force and violence, I’d concede that just blocking a road doesn’t meet the standard until rocks are thrown or people start swinging weapons. Or at least brandishing weapons, which I believe is legally considered a violent act. The event in the OP (which I remain convinced is BS by the way), if it did happen as claimed (a protestor blocking a vehicle and wielding a weapon) might count.
To anyone who might dismiss the threat, a “stick” isn’t something you should dismiss as a weapon. A stick or pole of sufficient mass and structural strength can be a deadly weapon, with even one strike to the head. Or through the windshield of a moving car it could cause a multiple fatality accident. I can’t tell from the video if it was the equivalent of a baseball bat or a yard stick. (Or a painted Nerf bat given my belief that it was fake.)
While I’ll always politely applaud anyone who recognizes Sir PTerry’s contributions to life, the Universe, and everything ; if I’m being honest my own take is much more down to Earth : if your life if SO important ; and what you’re going to be late for is SO impossibly crucial that you cannot possibly just… hang back and appreciate a good protest, or even a *bad *one, just because you now have a legit good reason As Seen On TV to let your bucket chair down and back, close your eyes, crank up the System of a Down (or the Vivaldi, I ain’t judging here, you can be as white a person as you like ! :p) and just let it all go for a while…
Then you’re *probably *the kind of guy Bill Hicks was talking about when he was riffing about “not only should marijuana be legalized, it should be mandatory.” ;).
Gotta say, I like your take on it as well.
Uh there was only one person to break the law … Hint: It wasn’t the driver
All you people asserting that blocking traffic is a terrorist-like offense and one is justified in forcing one’s way through – even with a vehicle – or “ending the threat” by assault ARE in fact in favor of arresting or assaulting pro-life protesters blocking access to abortion clinics…right?
I’ve never come across the idea of shoving someone with a car. Is that like vehicular assault? Smells like it.
If ‘compliant with the law’ is where you set your morality bar, I’ve got…30000+ years of human history that wants to have a word.
Kumbaya, my not_recognized_as_a_reasonable_moral_authority Lord, kumbaya !
Morality?
Compliant with the law is where I set my “at fault” bar and my “should face criminal charges” bar. Which was in the post I quoted …
Running people over with your car is vehicular assault or even homicide depending on the result. That’s not okay. That’s being a sociopath.
Pro-life protestors blocking access to a clinic should be dispersed, absolutely. By law enforcement of course.
…we don’t know what happened, we don’t know where it happened, we don’t know what happened before the video started, we don’t know what happened after, we know fuck-all about what happened here.
Where is it a given that this person is Antifa?
Right right
When its your side, video evidence is proof of nothing. I get it.
I mean his mom could have given him fucking tuna fish instead of the ham he asked for. His boss could have docked him for taking off even though his leave wasn’t approved.
But from the video , we do KNOW.
…you don’t even know what fucking side I’m on. You don’t fucking get it.
Is the video real? Was is staged? Was it an attempt at a viral prank? Russian propaganda? Road rage? An actual real protest? Where was it filmed? Who filmed it? What city?
No we fucking don’t. We know nothing about the video except what the original twitter poster claimed (that it was Extinction Rebellion/Antifa) and what Red State speculated (“This is likely just a regular, Antifa anti-capitalist”)
That is all we KNOW. Until you can show the provenance of the video all that it is is a video. It shows and demonstrates nothing.
No, you don’t. You really, really don’t. For all we know this could have been performance art with all sides in on it and either Jaime Kennedy or Ashton Kutcher sliding their smarmy asses on out from the sidelines after yelling “cut”.
Show me a name. Show me a police report. Show me Verifiable Facts or get lost.
All we know is that it is a video.
Just like this one.
If the pedestrian had instead been in a car and had blocked the road, should the other guy have used his vehicle to ram the car and push it out of the way?
Then why are you defending the extrajudicial violence of the driver first hitting the pedestrian with his car then getting out and beating him?
If someone is blocking your legal right of way pushing them out of the way is fine by me.