Possibly, but they will never be outweighed by the mistakes in your head. You’re a liar.
D’oh!! They will EASILY be outweighed by the mistakes in your head. Jesus, is Rosies stupidity contagious or something?? I gotta get out of here.
Jeepers, this is ridiculous.
The reference in question is to be published by Texas A&M University press; the auther appears to have impeccable credentials. Aggies have been accused of many things, but forging historical documents seems a bit of a stretch.
Here are the last two lines of the timeline:
–1972–
January 7-8
Sato meets with Nixon in San Clemente, California. The two leaders set May 15 as date for reversion.
May 15
Okinawa reverts to Japanese administration.
Nixon signed the documents allowing reversion. While the US bases remained, the island itself was administered by Japan after May 15, 1972. End of story.
For heaven’s sake, stop wasting people’s time with your nonsense.
Millions of history books are clearly mistaken about Carter’s term in office, claiming he left in 1980.
I’ll give you another chance, you meant that Carter signed the paperwork and Reagan implemented it. (just nod and say yes).
As promised, I said I would verify Rosie’s military service. She did in fact serve in the Air Force for the period she claimed. Scary huh? She only served a few short months during the Vietnam Era, most of her service is peace-time. Her discharge is GENERAL as she also stated.
As far as her disability, she does have a combined 70% rating, although the back condition is only a part of the overall percent. It is up to her whether or not she wants to divulge more information regarding other disabilities.
She did fall under the old VEAP Education Program (Chapter 34), and as she stated, she did use A VERY, VERY SMALL AMOUNT of this benefit(not nearly the amount she claimed). However, Chapter 34 was discontinued and all remaining entitlement transfered to the Montgomery GI Bill (Chapter 30). Entitlement to Chapter 30 DOES require an HONORABLE discharge, therefore, she was not eligible.
I’m finished with this dingbat. She obviously has a few screws loose, isn’t very bright, and I am not going to divulge any information about her other than to verify (or clarify) things she has already claimed about herself.
I sincerely hope you are receiving the help you so obviously need.
I wasn’t terribly active in politics at the time, but wouldn’t Carter have served until January 1981? It doesn’t help Rosie’s position, but it seems like we should at least be accurate in our corrections.
::Now returning you to your regularly scheduled psychosis::
You’re right, Squooshed, but the point remains that administration of Okinawa reverted to Japan in 1972, not '80, '81, '82, or any other time.
I am unable to find a reference on the Internet that suggests that “real” reversion occrred later than this date. If someone has a cite to this effect, you are welcome to post it here.
Here’s some facts I have been able to glean from the history books, and from memories of my own time in Okinawa (for six months around 76 or so).
The reversion occurred in 1972. However, U.S. military bases and U.S.-controlled land still amounted to about 20 percent of the island. Japanese and Okinawan authorities wanted the U.S. to scale back its presence there even further, or leave the island entirely. From 1972 to 1995, that U.S.-controlled 20 percent of the island remained a source of friction between the U.S. and Okinawa/Japan. There were frequent large-scale demonstrations against the U.S. bases during that period.
Inevitably, during this period there were also the usual number of drunken confrontations between U.S. military men and local civilians. Occasionally there were accusations that U.S. servicemen assaulted locals, and these incidents became politicized in that the U.S. authorities often insisted on trying them in U.S. military courts according to the UCMJ instead of releasing them to the Japanese for trial under local laws. In 1995 two Marines and one sailor abducted and raped a young Okinawan girl. It was the straw that broke the camel’s back. The military men were handed over to the local authorities and spent time in a Japanese jail, and the U.S. agreed to start handing back more Okinawan land to the Japanese and move some of the bases to other locations in the Far East.
Now, don’t hold my feet to the fire on all this. However, when I was Okinawa, I vaguely remember there were some large demonstrations up the road at the Kadena Air Base from time to time (I was stationed at Torii), and they weren’t always peaceful. Rosie might have seen one these routine demonstrations and misconnected them chronologically with other events. There also might well have been some other lesser rape case or other legal clash in the news at that time, firing up military/local animosity. Those things happened from time to time.
As for the reversion thing, I don’t know anything about that. But it was an ongoing process. There might have been some less important cases of land ceded that occurred between 72 and 95, which Rosie is remembering.
In other words, it’s not impossible or even unlikely that Rosie saw some demonstrations, that there was a local rape, and that the military closed a base and ceded some land back to the Okinawans while she was on the island. These things probably didn’t have much to do with the 72 reversion and the 95 rape. But she easily could have mixed all this stuff together in her memory.
This kind of selective memory happens with all servicepeople to a certain extent, even under the best circumstances. Servicepeople are young, they are in a foreign land they know absolutely nothing about, and weird events are going on around them. They shrug it off, return home one day, and forget about it. Fifteen years later they actually learn a little about the country they were in, and they start tying together the events they saw with historical events they’ve heard about since then, sometimes mistakenly. And the memory plays tricks. Battles are always bigger in the memory, especially when you went through it yourself. Local politics in a foreign land seem to have dark, conspiratorial undertones because they make no sense.
Vets have to watch out when they recount the history they saw with their own eyes. They often only saw a small piece of the whole picture; they were young and dumb and didn’t understand the significance (or lack of significance) of the event; and the memory plays tricks. This represents a portion of what filthy was talking about when he said that vets should never tell their stories except to other vets. Many times a vet relates a tale in public that he lived through, and the historians in the audience shred the story by pointing out all the inaccuracies. (Yes, it has happened to me too in the past.) It’s really just a difference of perspective. Rosie probably lived through the events that she relates; but historically speaking, they aren’t the events that she thinks they are.
I hope that helps out everyone a little bit.
Thanks, JTR; your description sounds eminently sensible.
BTW, the Okinawa Prefecture’s English-language web site contains a whole section on issues regarding the US bases there. If I understand correctly (just skimmed through), the percentage of the island under US control has remained pretty much steady at 20% since '72. Apparently there has been a long-time proposal to cede about 30% of the US-controlled land area to Japan, but it was unclear whether this has been implemented yet.
Rosie,
I’m trying to give you your due. I was one of the first to grant that you did real service time, and I reaffirmed it in subsequent posts. And I don’t mind backing you on historical events that you might relate.
But please don’t think that I’m on your side. Your actions on this board has been abominable, from your mock-bloodthirstiness, to your exaggerations about your service record, to your conspiracy theories, to the way you sandbagged Diane.
Diane in particular doesn’t need to hear your rants about VA bureaucrats. She tried her best to do you a favor, and you abused it. If you didn’t want to send in your SSN, you should have just said so. There was absolutely no need to go through the charade of losing the information in the mail over and over again. Hell, you bragged at one point that you’ve been a computer whiz since 1983 and type 80 WPM, but when Diane tried to help you, you suddenly couldn’t address an e-mail correctly to save your life.
It was a typical case of a VA administrator and an antagonistic vet. She needs some basic information to help you, but you sandbag her and give her bad or incomplete data. Are you surprised when she’s unable to help you? GIGO–garbage in, garbage out.
I’ve gone through the VA system. It’s a byzantine system, but that’s not the VA’s fault. Congress designed it that way. The VA administrators I worked with were always perfectly happy to work with me and help steer me toward any money and benefits that were coming to me. It isn’t their money after all, and they know enough about vets to really care. Hell, a lot of them were vets themselves.
I’m sorry Diane has come away from this with a bad taste in her mouth after having to screw around with one more balky, cantankerous vet. She really doesn’t need that shit.
And my opinion of you remains the same as always. I grant you your service time. But you’re still a troll.
JTR, you may have been on Okinawa around the same time as my dad. I was young, so recollections are a bit blurry, but I recall him being there sometime between 1974-76, just before we shipped off to Germany. Who knows–it’s a small enough world that you may have met him!
Well I’ll be, I just came back, skimming through the pages of trash, and this caught my eye. It seems I should go check my email (haven’t done that in a week or two). La la.
(though calling me a “she” wouldn’t have helped matters much; last I cheked, I was very much male, and barring some very painful surgery that I don’t remember… :rolleyes: )
JTR - Thanks!
The thing that Rosie and those thankful few (99.9% are great) disgruntled vets don’t realize is that no one drafted me or my co-workers into our job position. There are 14 other Federal agencies in this building, one of which I worked before I came here, that we could easily transfer to.
Life for me would be much simpler if I transfered to a civilian position at a huge Air Force base that is within a 5 minute drive from my front door or to the large IRS Regional Office 10 minutes away. There is overabundance of Federal jobs close to my home that doesn’t include verbal abuse, physical threats, armed security for problem children, silent alarms, and the emotional stress of seeing people you care about beat to a pulp at the railroad track camps, be committed, die, as part of the job description.
My experience, years in gov service, and my GS level would allow me to switch jobs fairly easy. However, I choose to wake up at 4:45 a.m. every morning and travel the hour and 10 minutes each direction to this job that I love.
It really pisses me off when I hear idiots like Rosie giving vets a bad name. It made me laugh when wardensu called me an uncaring bitch toward veterans. Funny thing is, is that I have never been called that, ever, by the literally thousands of vets I have helped over the years. In fact, I have a wall full of awards and citations of my service to vets. I guess that is why the flame missed the target.
Most of my co-workers are disabled veterans themselves. I am not. I chose to go to college, marry, and have babies at the age of enlistment. Although I didn’t serve in the military, I have spend most of my adult life serving those who did. I am not ashamed or regretful for any of it.
So Rosie and wardensu - not that I give a shit what you think or that I feel a need to defend myself, but I just wanted to clarify my position for those on the board that I actually respect.
I for one, feel dumber for having read the trash she’s written. I’m embarrassed to have been linked to her by serving in the same branch of the military.
Just one last question, Diane. If it takes you one hr and 10 mins to get to work… how are you able to post on this message board during the day, at different times of the day?.. Spending government time on private endeavours??? You only get an hour for lunch, so how is it you can travel home (1 hr 10 mins) take your lunch break (another hour), then go back to work (another hour and 10 mins), and still put in a full 8 hrs that you are being paid for? Or are you using the VA computers to get onliine when you are reportedly helping veterans?..
Nuff said.
That’s true, it was 1981. However, he was a lame duck after November and his presidency pretty much over. He still would have had to let Reagan do the work. Though, I’m sure Rocket’s research is correct and it was actually turned over in Nixon’s administration.
Rosie, Diane may correct me, but I know I have most of this right. Diane’s job isn’t 8-5, Monday through Friday. Her work shifts and work days vary; she doesn’t have a set work schedule. Unlike many (most?) of us, Diane only posts from home, not from work. Swing-and-a-miss.
When you know my work hours, my schedule, my job duties, and what we are allowed to do when we are stuck to our desk during our turn at the counseling phone line, then you have the right to open your gapping hole.
Web access is only allowable during slow periods when there is virtually nothing else to do while waiting for the next all.
Here’s a part copied from office regs.
*The follow is a list of Internet restrictions. The restrictions are based on broad categories and not on the identification of individual web sites or locations.
Partial and Full Nudity Sexual Acts
Gross Depictions
Intolerance
Satanic or Cult
Militant/Extremist
Sex Education
Questionable/Illegal and
Gambling*
So Dipshit, sorry to burst your bubble, but stick it up your ass.
Liar.
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by JTR *
**Rosie,
I’m trying to give you your due. I was one of the first to grant that you did real service time, and I reaffirmed it in subsequent posts. And I don’t mind backing you on historical events that you might relate.
But please don’t think that I’m on your side. Your actions on this board has been abominable, from your mock-bloodthirstiness, to your exaggerations about your service record, to your conspiracy theories, to the way you sandbagged Diane.**
Mock-bloodthirstiness?.. hmm… I think extank said it best… go over there and blow em up and come home… said exactly what I had… but he’s not called bloodthirsty. Sorry, don’t see the difference in his posts and mine, except that no one is reading his. I did not exaggerate. I posted my dates in, dates out, etc. I shouldn’t have to prove I was in the military any more than anyone else here should. Not one person has doubted that a MALE poster was in the military, so why the big hoopla over MY service time? Must be because I’m a woman, is the only explanation I can come up with for the uncalled-for harrassment. As for my conspiracy theories, SO WHAT? As you state, they are MINE and MINE alone (well not totally alone, as I said before, there are a lot of friends of mine who are vets who would go with me if they could).
Diane in particular doesn’t need to hear your rants about VA bureaucrats. I never ranted about bureaucrats. I told HER she was full of crap. I don’t lump people into one bucket as others have done here with me.
She tried her best to do you a favor, and you abused it. If you didn’t want to send in your SSN, you should have just said so. I sent her my SSAN and everything else. I sent it to the wrong person, I acknowledged that. I misstyped her email address when I sent it again, I told everyone I have arthritis in both hands and my left one has almost no sensory feeling in it at all anymore. So sorry the rest of you have NEVER made a typo in your life!
Hell, you bragged at one point that you’ve been a computer whiz since 1983 and type 80 WPM, All I said was that i had OWNED a personal computer since 1983. You are the one saying i’m a whiz. Thank you.
It was a typical case of a VA administrator and an antagonistic vet. She needs some basic information to help you, but you sandbag her and give her bad or incomplete data. Are you surprised when she’s unable to help you? GIGO–garbage in, garbage out. I sent her everything she asked for. Just because my SSAN is the exactly the same as my ‘serial number’ and my VA Claim number, does not mean I sent her erroneous information. If she’s been working with veterans for so long, then she’d know that when I filed in 1990-91 like I told her… that the SSAN IS YOUR ‘C’ number. I shouldn’t have to point that out, which I did several times and was ignored and/or called a liar. As for her helping me… again, back to WHY I should have to prove anything to anyone here. The MALE posters have not had to PROVE their military record…WHY should the FEMALES??
I’m sorry Diane has come away from this with a bad taste in her mouth after having to screw around with one more balky, cantankerous vet. She really doesn’t need that shit. Then Diane can research the facts before she calls someone a liar for stating what they know is true. She called me a liar for saying I had no educational benefits after I got out. I did, and STILL do. Even when she researched my records and posted here that I was right, she still calls me a liar. And everyone calls ME irrational?..
**And my opinion of you remains the same as always. I grant you your service time. But you’re still a troll. ** Guess it takes one to really know what another Troll is. So am glad that I’m in the family along with you and others on this board that have so dubbed me.
Where’s my damm Troll award, I think after standing up proudly to your assaults and taking it like a MAN, then I should damm well get something besides a plain old title. Is there a particular room in the BBQ pit where only Trolls are allowed to post now, because I sure don’t want to miss out on anything.
BTW, for the record, I am FEMALE, so the proper term would be Troll-ette! so there… LOLOLOLOLOL (<-- just for you Diane)
Strainger is correct. My job isn’t your typical 9:00 to 5:00 and 90% of my time is spent posting from home.
We are only allowed to use the internet here at work as a time killer when we are waiting for the next call on the counseling line as long as we don’t abuse the privilege by porn sites, etc.
I am at work today, on the phones, they are slow, so here I be!
So screw you RosieRedAss.