RosieWolf all I can say is that it scares me to the depths of my soul to think that at any time you represented the United States military in ANY capacity whatsoever. I hope that anyone else in the military that sounds as if they are as RABID as you has been or is being watched closely.
I agree, but I think she’s lying. She still hasn’t told us what unit she was in; she hasn’t even mentioned what branch of the armed forces she was supposedly a member of.
She won’t. I also like the “u” and “ur” usage. I know my mom would write that way. All she needs to so is drop a few “dudes” in there too.
And as a result, Germany and Japan are now staunch U.S. allies. Pretty smart move.
There are no American POWs left in Vietnam. They’re dead. The war’s over.
I’m a Vietnam-era vet too. I served in the Marines for seven years. I didn’t see combat during the war proper, but I did go over to Vietnam for the fall of Saigon in 75. I was also part of a back-up force when the Mayaguez was seized by the Cambodians soon after, and I was up on the DMZ in Korea in 76 when three U.S. Army officers were killed by the North Koreans in Panmunjom and the DMZ was invaded briefly by a South Korean force.
Yesterday’s bombing was a terrorist provocation, and as such the initial reaction will likely be political rather than military. And that makes perfect sense–you generally don’t set the entire military in motion and start wars over a whole geographic region on the basis of a single terrorist provocation. There were lots of such provocations in the 70s after our withdrawal from Vietnam, and most times America didn’t react militarily. The U.S. military is often the target of such provocations, but that doesn’t mean the use of military might is automatically the best way to respond.
As for Rosie’s posts about Vietnam vets lining up behind her to lay waste to the entire Middle East–I’ve never heard such a half-witted rant. We were professional soldiers. We took both our powers and our responsibilities very seriously. Our orders came down to us from civilians (the President and Congress), and we understood that our mission depended heavily upon geopolitical considerations, and not upon a “kill the ragheads” mentality. Anyone who talks like Rosie clearly understands absolutely nothing about the way the military works.
I very seriously doubt that Rosie ever ever ever served the country in any way. It seems to me that usualy the loudest advocates for war are those who never will have to fight in one. As a former member of the U.S. Air Force, (1984-88,) I was sickend and angered at what I learned today about the bombing. I served in England during the time that Quadaffi bombed that German danceclub, killing American Servicemen. I can tell you that we were angry, and would have fought, but none of us WANTED to fight. But we did our jobs, sent planes, (F111 fighter/bombers. Very loud cool aircraft, but maintenence beasts.), and shut daffy Quadaffi up for a very long time. We didn’t go to war with a country, we went to war with a man. Because it was a man that began the war. The same here. It sounds like Osamma Bin-Louden’s minions may have been at work here. We should not bomb a country. we should seek HIM out and let the ordanance fly.
Just FYI here is the U.S.S Cole’s website. http://www.spear.navy.mil/ships/ddg67/
Check out the story of Sergent Cole. He was one nasty Bugler!
Then:
So you are an inconsistent liar?
(BTW, I love the PMS discharge. Apparently we caught you at the wrong time of the month?)
Isn’t PMS discharge something a woman should see a gynocologist about?
Just checking.
You know, last night I was reading the SDMB very very drunk, and it didn’t make much sense.
I’m very sober now, and this drivel makes even less.
Ha.
This has got to be the funniest thing I have read on the SDMB in a long time!!!
Hey Rosie, some people think you are full of shit with your claims to military service. I’ll make you an offer to prove them wrong.
If you send me an e-mail with your full name, serial number, date of birth, and branch of service (if you trust me, you can include your Social Security Number as well, but it probably won’t be necessary to identify your records), I have access through my line of work to verify military service. This information is obtained through secure government records of national military and VA records.
I can assure you that I will not use or post any of this information as you are not worth risking my career over. What I will do is verify for the others in this thread that you are telling the truth if in fact the records prove it. I will not be able to use any information against you.
If you decline my offer, we can only assume that you are in fact a liar.
So, what do you say? Deal?
Hate speech is NOT acceptable on this site. This includes, but is not limited to, the word “raghead”.
Lynn
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For the Straight Dope
email sent. I’m a 70% SC Disabled Veteran.
I started this thread at 2:58 pm… Friedo started his at 3:58 pm… an hour later… i dont need to suck up to anyone to post here… it was a RANT, and that is what this forum is for… I ranted, everyone has chastised me appropriately, and I got it out of my system. No hard feelings, a lot of interesting information and a wake-up call for a lot of people here.
As for my military record, U.S.A.F, 75 to 85, E-5 when I got out, Safety Technician career field, am now 70% SC disabled. I know a LOT of disabled Vietnam Vets who WANT to go back in the service but aren’t allowed to… they wanted to go kick butt in Desert Storm but weren’t allowed to. They wanted to go to Panama and fry Noriega but weren’t allowed to. Yes, there are some who are nuttier than fruitcake because of their experiences during Vietnam… but they are the minority, not the majority. I see and talk to these guys all the time at the local VAs. Do you?
Yeah, double-fuck you, Oldscratch.
I don’t have a problem with pacifists, isolationists, whatever, per se, but using limp dick rhetoric like “imperialist aims” makes me sick. How fucking lame. You heard a term in high school that you thought sounded neat, so you parrot it. Grow the fuck up and think about it a little, will ya? If the US did indeed have “imperialist aims”, how many places could resist being overtaken? Not too damn many.
Why not exercise a few more cold war cliches? “Running dog capitalists” is always good. “Yankee oppressors” is real cute, too.
May the chickens roost above your head.
Hm.
I just needed to add that my previous post shouldn’t be misconstrued as any kind of backhanded support of the OP. I, too, served in the military. From my experience, I can state that some of that last people that want war are those in the military.
I do believe, though, if it can be determined who is responsible for the bombing of the Cole, then just retribution should follow.
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Ah, so you are not actually a homicidal maniac, but simply wanted to simulate one for a while?
So you don’t actually want to punish the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole with a general nuclear attack on the entire population of the Middle East? What was the point of your OP then?
Regardless of your apparent need to rant, if you post unsupportable allegations to this board, you are likely to get called down on them. For example, you have lumped Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia together as possible agents for the bombing of the Cole. Are you aware that over the past twenty years Saudi Arabia has generally behaved as one of the United States’ few allies in the Middle East? Don’t you recall that much of Operation Desert Storm was launched from Saudi territory?
The attack on the Cole occurred in Aden, Yemen. The attackers could be associated with any number of factions with an axe to grind against the US. So far, no media report I have read has given the slightest hint that anyone in the US government knows who is responsible.
You led this off with a call to commit genocide on a population about which you evidently know nothing. If anyone is in need of a wake up call, RosieWolf, it is you.:wally
Sorry I can’t add my righteous indignation in response to this unfortunate event. While I would prefer that no one ever be killed or injured as the result of this type of violence, I am quite relieved that, in this instance, the target of terrorism was a military target, on alert status, in the Middle East instead of, say, the World Trade Towers, or a Carnival cruise ship in the Caribbean. Whence came the impression that service in our armed forces should be a risk-free occupation?
I think baglady expressed this well in the MPSIMS thread, but I post this here out of respect for the tenor of the discussion over there.
Then you must be aware how ridiculous your rant sounded to most former or current military men and women.
I’m aware that the OP was just a rant. I didn’t feel any need to contradict you when you first posted the OP. But I think you should have stopped with the OP. Your subsequent posts amplifying on your OP and attempting to justify it were just plain embarrassing. And I personally took offense when you implied that Vietnam vets might somehow support the kind of rhetoric you voiced in the OP.
Post all you want. Rant all you want. But please make it crystal clear that it’s only your personal opinion. I’m a Vietnam-era vet too, and I don’t support your view of the situation in any way shape or form.
Don’t get me wrong. If you did good service time (and I am willing to assume that you did), then I will be happy to show you the respect I automatically grant all fellow vets. But please don’t wrap yourself in the mantle of the Vietnam vet and imply even indirectly that you are speaking up for me and other vets.
The Air Force, huh? So, you seen much combat? :rolleyes:
Probably not. The people who are the most gung-ho for war have usually never experienced it firsthand. I have an older cousin who did a tour in 'Nam and he’s in no hurry to kick anyone’s ass, except maybe yours for perpetuating a stereotype (or three). There’s just something about seeing people die that killed his taste for war, I guess.
And in reference to your OP, we are not over there protecting “those jackasses”, as you so delicately put it. We are over there protecting American oil interests. Unwrap yourself from that flag before you soil it further.
By the way, RosieWolf, I’m sorry to hear of your 70% service-connected disability. You sacrificed your health for your country just as much as any similarly disabled combat vet, and I want to make sure it’s clear that my disagreement with you on philosophical grounds doesn’t stop me from respecting the sacrifices you have made for America. I wish you all the best!