Well I wasn’t specifically referring to racism, and, in fact, the whole wall mantra is a perfect example of what I said above.
It’s really likely he looked a lot like the rest of the Israelites of the time; in other words pretty Middle Eastern.
I’d wager that if the real Jesus were to materialize in front of most Christians, they’d have no clue, since he probably would be brown, short and scrubby looking, not the syncretized images of Roman sun gods that we’re used to associating with Jesus.
Ever since people started identifying as alt-right. He was alt-right before there was an alt-right.
alt-right is not a formal organization with membership dues. It is a name associated with a series of people and groups that promote white supremacy and extreme right wing politics (in contrast to mainstream conservatism). Duke has been pushing the same crap for years and alt-right has simply become a self-selected identifying term for all such believers.
It’s decreased a whole lot since the early 2000s, (along with the sweeping “all men” conspiratorial misandristic rhetoric). But there was a section of people, IIRC some even on this board, who said “racism is a system of oppression, so therefore all the passive beneficiaries of the system are racist, i.e. all white people”.
But the vast majority of people don’t use the word that way. They use it to mean racially prejudiced actions and viewpoints. My guess is that linguistic clarity won out since the alternative use of the term has dwindled considerably. You see a lot more people complain about people thinking all whites are racist than people claiming that all whites are racist.
I think people are often unaware of how radically and quickly laws and society can change. People believe that Nazism was the result of antisemitism that had existed in Europe for centuries, and there is indeed some truth to that. But Germany in particular had been viewed as a relatively safe place for Jews to settle for quite some time before the rise of the Third Reich. Nazi Germany’s intolerance toward Jews was probably a gradual process that started around the time of Kaiser Wilhelm’s militarization of Germany in the 1860s and 70s. Worsening economic and political conditions created a more insular Germany and a more conservative society that began assaulting liberalism and principles such as tolerance, immigration, global trade. Sound familiar?
Even in this country, before the Jim Crow finally took hold in the South once and for all, there was some degree of optimism among white progressives and blacks that there might be the dawn of a new era and that southern society could be changed. In fact there were some places throughout the country, including the South where working class whites and together blacks petitioned for labor rights. Blacks in North Carolina were not immediately subjected to the same black codes like residents in Louisiana and other places in the South. Blacks in West Virginia and other places in Coal Country unionized and rebelled against oppressive working conditions in the mines. Teddy Roosevelt was seen as far ahead of the men in his time and expanded civil service employment for black people. But between 1890 and 1925, the white establishment actively broke unions and pitted white working class people against blacks whom they accused of taking white jobs at lower pay. It was easy for whites to fall for the message of white elites: Don’t blame us; blame the Negro for taking the jobs that you, as a white man, are entitled to. By the 1910s and 20s, pretty much all southern states had codified segregation and Woodrow Wilson had eliminated most of the civil service positions for black workers.
The equality and the values that we take for granted today can be replaced with another value system tomorrow. All it takes is indifference.
I think you’ll find that there are many on the alt-right who abhor racism. Thanks to Duke and his ilk, they’ll have to find themselves a different (I almost said alternative) moniker.
I hate to try to defend these people even a little bit.
But here’s the deal : at elite employers today, where white (and asian) males are ‘over-represented’, there are programs that try to actively discriminate against people who happen to be born white or asian male.
The courts, today, actively discriminate against fathers in family court. They actively discriminate against men, giving them far harsher sentences and being more likely to find them guilty of a crime. The draft has always been a form of active discrimination against people who happen to be born male. The educational institutions that offer the most elite degrees actively discriminate against people who are not black or hispanic.
For several reasons, many of these men can’t find a mate. There are 3 main reasons :
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For mating purposes, women between the ages of 18-35 are it. This is a biological reality, kids after this point become increasingly risky, and women’s appearance generally reflects this. (to most men, they perceive women over 35 as drastically less attractive). Demographically, this portion of the population has shrunk.
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High paying jobs are far less available to men. Most blue collar manufacturing jobs went to China. The criminal justice system, despite a decrease in crime, mars the records of a large percentage of men, preventing them from being able to get a well paying job at all. (for even the most trivial infraction that might have been ignored in the 1950s)
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Both men and women are obese in large numbers. Men sharply prefer women who are not obese, even when they are themselves fat. So the number of 18-35, skinny women who are interested in a man with the jobs available is so small compared to the number of men after them that most men will not be able to find an acceptable mate at all. It’s simple mathematics. Yeah, “neckbeards”, but if there’s 5-10 men in the market for every 1 hot woman, well, 4-9 men are going to have to do without. So they masturbate to perfect women as shown in japanese cartoons and post angry online.
In general, modern liberal media ignores all of the very real issues I mention above. It’s politically correct to even conclude that well, the people I mention above deserve to be actively discriminated against. After all, they enjoy all that “privilege” and get to enjoy “the patriarchy”. The reality is something different. Poor white men don’t get a whole lot of “privilege”, and they probably never did. So there’s a bunch of them, and they some of them have somehow ended up as straight up Nazis.
Wow.
There’s so much nuttiness and illogical nonsense in SamuelA’s post that I don’t know where to begin.
So … why don’t we all just ignore this insanity and not respond at all. Maybe save this interesting thread from going off topic.
What do you all say?
“Excuse me, your ideology is illogical,” he said as the guard closed the cattle car door.
The impression I get regarding the alt-right is that one of the main things they have in common is hatred. These aren’t your “old school” racists that were racist because they grew up in a racist culture. These are people who seem to have latched onto the racist ideology because it offers them an opportunity to express their hatred. My guess is that had these same people been born 20-30 years ago in Syria that these same people would probably be the most vociferous members of ISIS. If they had been born in Afghanistan they would probably be proud members of the Taliban. If they had been born black in the 1940s, they would probably have been Black Panthers in the 60s. I don’t have a cite for it, but that’s the impression I get.
I am pretty sure that while there may be a “good” alt-right adherent, those who are not racist are in a tiny minority.
I cannot think of a single alt-right spokesman who is not racist. A few limit themselves to dog whistle rhetoric, but they all promote racism.
Any example of a non-racist alt-right proponent that you can identify? More than one?
White supremacist[6] Richard Spencer coined the term in 2010 in reference to a movement centered on white nationalism, and has been accused by some media publications of doing so to excuse overt racism, white supremacism, and neo-Nazism.[1][7]
Footnote 6 points to the following:
^ Jump up to: a b
Before the revolution, Iran was a dictatorship under the rule of a single, corrupt megalomanic. Under the current government, there is an elected parliament and elected president. The parliament does have some power. There is some public debate about policy. In fact, Iran may just be one of the most democratic countries in that area. Okay, with countries like Saudi Arabia as its neighbors, that’s not a particularly hard bar to reach. But, it’s certainly more democratic than it was under the shah.
Now, Iran did go backwards in the 1950s when they overthrew the shah and became a parliamentary government with a prime minister, but some country encouraged the military throw a coup that reinstalled the shah as an absolute dictator.
Which country was that? Hmmm… Oh yeah, it was the U.S. and Great Britain. Maybe that’s why Iran is not exactly our biggest fan.
It’s amazing how things like this can come back and bite you in the southernly regions.
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I don’t know if I agree with his facts, either, but I can at least agree that this is how some people might perceive his description as reality.
There are probably different factors that explain how people arrived at becoming members of an alt-right movement. The common denominator that I see (at least most of the time) is that this is mostly a movement of white males.
I’m not a psychologist but one thing that membership in a fringe movement like this offers to young men is a social bond and ‘meaning’ in life. Humans are social animals. We feel better when we’re part of a group. White males in particular identify with power. They need to feel powerful and strong because from early life they have been conditioned to believe that they are supposed to at the top of the social pecking order. The aggressive message of the alt-right probably has particular appeal to young men who are struggling to fit in, or those who see it as an opportunity to be more powerful and masculine in some way.
Not a single cite to back up any of his statements.
Really? Cite? More than non-white males? More than females? Any other group?
Would it help if blacks, women, etc all stopped claiming that this is true?
Instead of asking stupider-than-pig shit rhetorical questions, why not just explain why you think I’m wrong.
You made the claim; you provide the cite. And the questions were not rhetorical.
I don’t need to cite shit; I’m not writing an academic paper.
See, this is the thing that confounds me. No. No, I have never gotten that from any leftist rhetoric.
My impression, when black activists talk about “white culture” or “white power structure” or whatever, is that they are referring to that portion of white culture or power that persists in perpetuating ideology and policies which are deleterious to their lives and dignity. Those same aspects of culture and policy often affect my life and dignity also, because I am poor and countercultural. I am not saying that I run the same risk of violent death or racial profiling as my black fellow citizens do, but I can certainly relate. In any case, I have no reason to take these kinds of discussions as a personal affront.
I guess if someone’s calling out white folks for being hateful to them, it might offend someone who was part of the problem; but it really shouldn’t trouble anyone who is trying to be part of the solution.