This society continues to amaze me

You really are fucked up. Are you one of those snake-handling holy rollers who stands outside the funerals of AIDS victims with a “God Hates Fags” sign?

Hey, what’s good for the goose…

Here’s the deal. If there is, in fact, an absolute morality, we can only speculate about it. You may claim to have found it in the Bible, or through personal communication with God, or Allah, or meditaion, or the Invisible Pink Unicorn. I make no such claim, so I am only able to go on my own ideas of right and wrong. I tend to think they’re pretty good. They’re just going to have to be good enough.

Dr. J

well done sneevil. You managed to turn a good thread into one revolving about you.

So what if Byz acutally was a burned out hippie. She is entitled to her beliefs as much as you are. Of course, by your words I get the message that your a PTC supporting, bible thumping ignoramus with a mind closed tighter than a virgin who uses her knees to squeeze orange juice.

your making the assumption that not christian = not right.

goodday to you.

back to the OP-

there’s something up with that. its hard to believe that she would rather be bullied into giving the guy a blow job than letting him take her “Stuff”.

Quit e-mailing me, Sneevil.


Yer pal,
Satan

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You can call me a “foamer” if you like, but that just ain’t the case. I went to church with my parents for the majority of my life, and still have friends who do go to church. I have Muslim friends, Buddhist friends, Wiccian friends, Baha’i fiends, as well as friends from several other religions. We are able to hold rational discussions about their religions, and while I may not agree, I definitely do respect their views as long as they are presented in a reasonable manner. Having said that,

You are a shit-sucking prick who gives religion (as a whole) a bad name.

Asshole.

Hmmm, not that I’m leaping to conclusions or anything, but for some reason this reminds me a lot of a friend of mine from high school who spent part of a summer in jail for raping his girlfriend. I was puzzled by the whole thing since it was very out of character for him.

Then his ‘victim’ crumbled during questioning and admitted it had been consentual (sp?). Apparently he was trying to break off the relationship and she was in a rage to get even with him. I understand she did a couple months in jail herself after that.

That said, if this story is anywhere near the facts, the boy needs to hang.

I’ve never e-mailed you in my life, asswipe, so I think you’ll have to prove this one…

I’m not sure if you just haven’t told us all the details or what here, but the story is off a bit. If this guy did force her, I sure hope he spends time in jail for it. I was sixteen too once, and I would not have been able to tell my mom either, but I surely would have told someone.

Sneevil
I am amazed at your rudeness to the OP here. If you want to talk about yourself, and your twisted ideas on religion and morality start your own thread. Arrogant prick!

I also don’t like your comment to Byz. Way out of line there. Who exactly do you think you are to go around insulting people like that? Just because you are online? Any respect I might have had for you is now completely gone. Yes, I’m sure it pains you greatly. :rolleyes: Go ahead and keep spewing drivel like this and I forsee a long career for you as the unanswered poster around here.

What’s worse - a man falsely convicted of abusing a woman, or a woman being abused and too scared to do anything about it for fear of not being believed? This is what’s so upsetting about the OP - that we live in a society where people will inevitably be trapped in these situations.

Hey Snivel, we started a whole thread for your delusional fucked up rabies-infested paranoia. So quit fouling up this one. In other words…

Get over here bitch.

Okay, I thought I’d clear up a few things here and maybe even get back to the OP.

This girl, unlike a lot of you, clearly doesn’t have the self-confidence to tell her parents and trust they’ll believe her. I don’t know that she didn’t or did tell anyone else. It’s entirely possible she liked it and just got tired of it and made up a story to get pity.

The thing is, the chance of that is pretty low. The boy’s own parents aren’t refuting the claims, which says one of two things to me: either they know what kind of kid he is (so long as we can assume the allegations are true), or they figure it must be true and don’t know enough about him to say otherwise.

I would HOPE that we can all agree being sexually abused is not a good thing. It is obvious to me that several members of this board have experienced some form of it, which is unfortunate in my opinion. There are probably people who think it’s a good thing.

I’m not even going to touch the idea of morality . . . those of you who feel we need to drag anything into this but the legal side I brought in (which was me saying he could not be prosecuted because of the age difference) can start a new thread. If you want to talk about the morality and/or existence of God or Goddess or Allah or Buddha or whatever, go to GD or start a new thread. While there is a place for it in the pit, it’s not here. We have enough to worry about without having to deal with this shit.

That said, I can’t go to each and every one of you and prove to you that this happened. ALL I was saying in the OP is that there’s something wrong with a society and its members when something like this goes on. There’s something wrong with a society in which someone comes forward with a true story about sexual abuse and isn’t believed, as the case has been before.

I applaud those of you who wanted more facts before condemning this boy to a painful death. My own judgment is based on what I have heard from people I trust to tell a truthful and accurate story. Perhaps that’s coming through my own biases and prejudices, but I’d rather examine a story or allegation of sexual abuse than dismiss it as hearsay. I would hope the rest of you have enough respect for human life as to do the same when presented with something of this nature.

I will try to get more facts and such for you who do not believe me, but if I’m talking to someone who wouldn’t believe it unless it happened to him or her . . . well, I’m not about to go that far.

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*Originally posted by Sneevil *
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Who said we were all anti-theists? People use religious texts all the time to bend the words so it justifies the evil they do. Most often it is seen in Christianity, and many Christians manipulate a text that contradicts itself so they can blame others for evil they didn’t create. I myself am agnostic and believe in the threefold rule: whatever you do will come back to you times three. This girl is at blame to a small extent by not saying anything for so long and by also giving this guy head. Her loss of dignity in the matter, people not believing her story and it being dismissed in court is her punishment for doing something just so she could retain material things. The guy is mostly to blame because he did evil by threatening her like that. His punishment will be coming to him, and it will be worse than the original evil he did.

I feel for you, and I understand your frustration, but I have to point something out.

You are contradicting yourself with these two paragraphs. First sentect you talk about the true story, second one you talk about an open mind and wanting to know all the facts. You go from guilty untill proven innocent, to innocent till proven guilty.

Until you know all the facts you can’t stone the boy, you can’t stone the girl. There are very serious implications, which could ruin both lives. I will repeat, do not pass judgement on either, until you know all the facts, firsthand.

My problem is this, we don’t have any evidence, for one thing. On top of that, we don’t even know the full story.

  1. Did he confess to it?

  2. What was this item he was keeping from her? It would have to be something extremely important to make her do something she doesn’t wanna do.

  3. Why did she tell them earlier? I can understand not trusting her parents enough to tell them she was forced to give oral sex after the fact. What I don’t understand, is why she would feel she couldn’t tell them that someone was trying to coerce her. In other words, it’s one things to be too embarassed to tell your parents you were raped. It’s a whole nother to not tell them someone stole from you. I can’t see any reason why she couldn’t just tell people.

The only way this would make any sense, was if he was blackmailing her with some knowledge or item that she would be embarassed to let others find out about.

FreakFreely said:

"My problem is this, we don’t have any evidence, for one thing. On top of that, we don’t even know the full story.

  1. Did he confess to it?"

I don’t know. His parents have defended his actions, whether he admitted (if we’re assuming they’re true) to them or not. I will try to find out, though I don’t know if my source will know.

“2. What was this item he was keeping from her? It would have to be something extremely important to make her do something she doesn’t wanna do.”

Important to her is, I am guessing, what you mean here. And, again from what I know, it was her books and possibly more. And it wouldn’t have to be much of anything important . . . some people’s self-esteem is at the point where they will do anything to keep what little they have.

“3. Why did she tell them earlier? I can understand not trusting her parents enough to tell them she was forced to give oral sex after the fact. What I don’t understand, is why she would feel she couldn’t tell them that someone was trying to coerce her. In other words, it’s one things to be too embarassed to tell your parents you were raped. It’s a whole nother to not tell them someone stole from you. I can’t see any reason why she couldn’t just tell people.”

She, as far as I know, didn’t tell them earlier. From what I gather, she didn’t feel her parents would trust her, or didn’t think it was important . . . I don’t want to speculate here on the reason or reasons, but she didn’t tell them earlier.

I think one of the big reasons you can’t understand her actions is that you don’t know the girl. Perhaps she (speculation) was placed in foster care after her birth parents were abusive and nobody believed her. Perhaps she thought “this, too, shall pass.” I don’t know why she didn’t tell, but I’ve been in similar situations and the only thought worse than “I will get this more” is “What if nobody believes me?” If she had told someone and not only had that person not believed, but dragged the boy into this, I don’t think it’s outlandish to suppose that it might get worse.

“The only way this would make any sense, was if he was blackmailing her with some knowledge or item that she would be embarassed to let others find out about.”

I don’t think that’s the case at all. I don’t know anything about her other than this. What I know is that she did this for six months because whatever she was protecting was, she felt, important enough to give this boy blowjobs.

I would love to know the entire story behind this. I’d also love to know the girl this happened to. However, I don’t, so what I tell you is, as others have pointed out, going by way of two sources: my mother and the girl’s mother. The girl’s mother and mine work in the same office, which is how I heard about it.

Again, I will try to find out more. My initial response to this story was as a survivor of sexual abuse. Had I been a victim of someone who claimed I abused them, when I did not, my reaction probably would have been radically different. I’m not asking everyone to believe me based on what I’m saying. I am saying that this kind of thing, whether or not it happened, shouldn’t EVER happen. There shouldn’t be a situation where this is a possibility. There evidently is, which is one of the fundamentally wrong things about this society, let alone the fact that this kind of thing does happen. Such things (sexual abuse) happen to entirely too many people.

SNEEVIL, I think what you are looking for is the “Golden Rule” – do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

Yes, if only Snivel would actually follow that rule. Instead he simply spews his hypocricsy on the res of the board, and we are forced to cope with it.

God and the Bible aside, one thing jumped out at me…

Is it possible that these two kids were having a consensual relationship that someone’s mom found out about? I define consensual as “by free will”, not “under duress”.

Just trying to throw a rubberband into the works.

Robin

Wow, dude, you are so harshing my buzz!

Just got back from a few days down on the commune and I must say the marijuana plants are, well, growing like weeds! :wink:

I am amazed that you consider yourself so “well armed”. With what? Hatred? Expletives? Bigotry? Gross misinterpretations of the bible, Jesus and basic Christian tenets? They say ignorance is bliss; you must be practically orgasmic!

Before you rush in and start bashing my religious views you might want to do a bit of research. My religion has been around a lot longer than the sixties. My religion goes back far further than most. That doesn’t make it better or worse. FYI: My religion embraces other views, doctrines and religious texts. It’s called tolerance and acceptance; two terms I’m very sure you have no personal experience with.

If you wish to continue this particular debate I would suggest you go to the Pit thread devoted exclusively to you and leave this thread as a discussion of the OP.

iampunha – I apologize for my own part in taking this thread away from the topic that should be discussed. I too agree that anything like this should never happen. I honestly hope all the people involved in this get to the truth and resolve it.

Hey Byz, where can I buy stock in the plantation :wink:

Byz, there’s no need to apologize, I assure you. This thread morphed slowly into a discussion about religion, morality etc. While there is some manner of need for that in this thread, anyone whose morality or religion says that sexual abuse is okay . . . well, I hope they rethink that position.

And for those who care, the boy in question hasn’t, to my knowledge, said anything one way or another. I believe the girl has transferred to another school.

From what I understand, again, through two sources, the girl didn’t tell her mother because she (the girl) figured she (the girl) could handle it.

And among the things the girl lost to this boy was her planner, which she’s going to replace soon.

All this happened last late summer/fall/winter . . . so it won’t be in the news any time soon.

[sarcasm]My sincere thanks to all the male assholes in the world who give the rest of the us men a bad name[/sarcasm]. Remind me to rip you a new one some time REALLY soon.