It seems to me that you are saying it’s “correct” to gossip to others about another persons private life because there is no “contract” stating you shouldn’t. Isn’t that the term you used? “Contract”? As if you need a written form of agreement to somehow glean the knowledge that you shouldn’t air someone’s private affairs through gossip.
You left out surgical enhancement. The thing they all have in common is that they are all personal and private details about their bodies.
If I won the lotto and collected $200 million dollars, I wouldn’t want anyone to tell that either. And that’s not a tragedy.
Okay, I really shouldn’t ask this, but in the interest of fighting ignorance, …
And that’s just it–imagine that Jane (to continue using the terms from the other thread) knew at varying degrees of closeness 800 people before transitioning from John–people in her neighborhood, schoolmates from K to 12, coworkers from summer jobs, etc. If someone that Jane knew 15 years before transitioning happens to have a mutual acquaintance with Jane, it that person somehow obligated to never mention the fact that Jane is person that they knew in 3rd grade as John? When did they agree to that obligation? Sure, they could choose to go along with it in the name of politeness and discretion, but they never agreed to that and it is absolutely unreasonable to expect that to be expected to abide by a social contract that they never agreed to. It may make them a jerk, but the facts are still on their side.
It’s the same obligation one would have about any other personal body effecting event (cancer, surgery, etc.). It’s personal and private and not your place to reveal.
Yet if it is known by the public, it isn’t private.
Unless they publicly announce it to the world, it’s not “known by the public”. Even if they knew lots of people before, through, and after transition, any more than reconstructive surgery might be, or a bad illness might be, or chemotherapy might be, or a million other significantly appearance-altering things might be.
It’s funny to see a Pit thread started about something someone posted in GD, and then everyone reconvenes in the Pit thread to have the same argument.
Derwood: You’re being an obstinate idiot. Don’t go around sharing personal shit about people you know and expect them not to resent it. Only assholes do that. Do you want to be an asshole?
If you’re going to emit terms like “social contract,” as if they applied to things like this, as opposed to, say, submitting to the sanitary code and taxes and so on, you should at least acknowledge that by definition the social contract is implicit, not something you decide to sign up for, or not, and definitely includes the obligation to take care not to cause undue harm to others. You minimize this harm, but you seem to acknowledge that certain behaviors make you a “jerk.” The distinction you’re trying to draw is meaningless: what parts of the social contract, as you understand it, does anyone have a right to assume you’ve agreed to, and how does that change the opprobrium when you (inevitably, from the sound of you) misbehave in ways no normal person would?
didn’t we have this discussion waaayyy back in t he day over some conversative posters went to a dopefest and met eve and started a discussion (I don’t know if it was on the sdmb or not) over how good/bad she looked post op ? and it stirred up a hornets so bad I think the offending posters were banned … and it led to a discussion on how to publicly address the whole thing in polite society …
It is interesting that people are reacting as if I am someone who has actually “outed” a trans person in real life, when in fact–as I mentioned on the other thread–as far as I know, I have never even met a trans person in real life, ever. As I didn’t mention in the other thread, I’m essentially a hermit socially–I don’t step outside my own property any more than I have to, don’t go to recreational social gatherings at all, and have pretty much 100% of my social contacts through the internet. So I’m not even talking about doing something that I’d be in a position to do. I’m only talking hypotheticals here, and the idea of someone being one-sidedly drafted into a conspiracy to keep someone else’s secret just doesn’t sit well with me.
I fear that which I don’t understand. Luckily, I’ve got you pretty well pegged, you shitweasel.
Don’t be so judgemental Mr. Smelly Pony.
Neither a surprise nor an excuse.
I’m going to assume that you have just temporarily left your moral compass in your other onesie. In previous posts, you pretended to know what the social contract means, so this comes across as ridiculous. Are you aware of the other worldwide conspiracies you never agreed to, involving use of toilets, returning borrowed items, things like that? Once you get familiar with them, you’re invited to step outside and observe, quietly, and learn how to act.
It’s a wonder you can get out from under the covers each day.
I think you might have Eve mixed up with Una Persson. If Eve is trans-gendered, she has never brought it up on the Dope, AFAIK.
Also, you can get gonorrhea from riding a tractor in your bathing suit.
One of the “best” things about that thread - other than “deadnaming is a sign of acceptance and tolerance!” - was the idea that if a trans person is not out as trans to literally everyone in the world, there is something psychologically unhealthy about the person, but not with the batshit POS who thinks that outing them is a sign of respect.
No, it was Eve all right, and she was indeed transgendered. I don’t feel like dragging up the whole mess, but it was Joe Cool and Jersey Diamond who said Eve was sooo obviously trans, and why was it such a big deal? They were just like, being HONEST! :rolleyes:
(IIRC, shortly afterwards Joe was banned and word is that Jersey divorced him…and came out as a lesbian. I can’t help but laugh at that)