Translation = I know I’ve talked myself into a corner and anything I say from here on out is only going to make me look like an even bigger asshole
I tried to be nice Monty but you chose to attack (like a master of hatred would do). I could sit here and argue with a short-sighted hypocrite like yourself, but I chose not to be cruel. Have a nice day.
ccwaterback - give it up.
We all have the capability to scroll through this thread and see what you have written. Not sure who you are trying to kid here, but it seems as if you have only succeeded in kidding yourself.
Diane - Sorry, I’ll take back the altrusitic comment in your direction. I’m not swayed, however, by your position. First, is there any project out there about her ordeal that wasn’t made w/their consent? If not, then we do not know if the ones currently being marketed would in fact have been made w/o their consent. Had there been productions w/o their consent, I feel their position would have been much more strong by issuing a terse “we do not wish to profit/participate in profiting from our daughters ordeal. Our aim is to continue to love our daughter and provide for her continued growth, and feel that is best accomplished out of the public eye as much as possible. To that end we will not participate in any project that involves the marketing of our daughter’s experience, and would hope that all who love their own children will respect our decision and refuse to add to the circus by participating, thank you”
Instead, they had their answering machine telling people to submit their proposals in writing to their lawyer w/in days of her return.
Monty - I listed several cites which detailed the Smarts actions over a period of time that, in my mind, demonstrated their willingness to put their daughter deliberately into the public eye. One of them had her playing the harp. THe harp was a non issue, but you chose to ignore everything else and comment on that. way to go.
But, frankly, I’ve not seen anything from anyone here that changes my opinion. And I also don’t really care if you change yours.
So, enjoy the made for tv movie, go out buy the book, do whatever makes you happy campers.
Insufficient. The First Amendment, like all the amendments to the Constitution, has limitations. Those limitations are determined by a court of law… relevant case law would have to be found that parallels the Smart case. Waving the First Amendment around has been done before, and better. It doesn’t mean much without the relevant case law to back it up.
Hmm… can you explain to me how this is relevant? I even did some of the legwork for you and looked up the case itself.
My reading of its specifics is that the suit was brought by an elected official (the Smarts are not elected officials) accusing a newspaper of libel (I’m not sure how that would apply here at all) after a publication had already been released. Note that the court decision specifies its applicability to “public officials” or “elected officials” several times. The Smarts are neither.
What we were talking about here was the possibility of a normal family seeking to stop the release of a publication (a TV movie) before it is released to the public, maybe even before it was produced. Again, how is Sullivan relevant?
Pardon me, but I remain unconvinced by what you’ve provided thus far. I do believe that rights of privacy and accuracy would still come into play here, and the First Amendment is not a blanket that hides all of that.
whuckfistle: And y’all were inane then too, especially in that thread.
ccwaterback: Casting unfounded accusations at the Smarts and the LDS church is not being nice.
wring: I’m not concentrating solely on the harp. Read the rest of the thread. FTR, their actions are only suspect, as you say, in your mind. Luckily, there are people decent enough, like Diane, not to make accusations against them based on that.
Religions don’t teach people to hate you ignorant ass.
There are plenty of hate filled people in this world both religious and not.
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I don’t even know how to reply to this. Yes, your comment is that stupid.
World Eater: Well, to be fair, maybe ccwaterback wasn’t taught to hate–he’s just a natural at it!