Read the last post and tell me why there was no blood on his clothes.
Um… he didn’t bleed that much?? And I don’t have supervision, so I can’t create my own closeups. The video shows diddly-squat as to any views of his so-called injuries. My point is WHO CARES ABOUT AN ALIBI?? He shot an unarmed kid thinking he’s the next Batman. He never had to shoot. If he really was attacked, he could’ve punched back, ran and called the cops again.
I’m sorry, I don’t buy the alibi either. They could say it’s all because of PTSD for all I care. The guy shouldn’t have a gun on The Watch and he was told not to confront the poor kid.
He reported it, that’s all he CAN do.
Zimmerman would be arrested in any other state it seems. That stupid law in Florida is a HUGE problem in this case.
Something about all this makes me suspect a fix. I can almost believe that the law is so fucking stupid as to make someone believe that a prosecution isn’t possible. Almost. Does this Zimmerman guy have some sort of heavyweight connection? Kayser Sozey, maybe?
On the other hand, why would I think it should make sense? What could ever make sense of a young man dead for buying Skittles at the 7-Eleven? Primo Levi said something like Hell is the place where there is no reason.
Sure as you’re born, somebody is going to use this to commit murder. Not stupid murder like this, but cold calculated murder, murder for money or power. All you need is a permit to carry and a victim with a bad temper. Piss him off, let him sock you a couple of times, plug him and put a baseball bat in his hand.
Excellent questions being asked by our good friends at ThinkProgress.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/28/454206/trayvon-martin-5-unanswered-questions/
Being five unanswered questions. I am outlining only the questions for concern about too much cut and paste, but the site has the background.
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What was the purported “conflict” that required the initial prosecutor to step down
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Why did the prosecutor ignore the recommendations of the lead homicide investigator?
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Why did then-Police Chief Bill Lee make public statements directly contradicting the official recommendations of the police department?
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Who leaked Trayvon Martin’s school records?
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Why was Trayvon Martin’s body tagged as a John Doe?
I don’t think it is; the only person “standing his ground” would be Martin. You have no self-defense claim when someone fights back against you if you initiate an assault against them. That’s as true in Florida as anywhere else. It has become increasingly clear that Zimmerman’s alleged fear for his life based on the “head pounded into the pavement” scenario is something that he and his police co-conspirators just made up out of whole cloth. Unless you believe the ever-changing ridiculous story about him getting out of his car to look at a street sign (because he somehow got inextricably lost in a neighborhood he lives in that he patrols looking for coloreds on a regular basis) and Martin teleporting around him and then attacking him from behind, there is no self-defense here because Zimmerman initiated the assault–that’s EVEN IF you believe the nonsense about the head-on-pavement–and thus the fact that Florida has “stand your ground” while most other states doesn’t matter.
In summary, we have three reasons why “stand your ground” is irrelevant here:
*Zimmerman has no self-defense claim to begin with because he initiated the confrontation.
*The specific part of the story about a threat to Zimmerman’s life is a lie.
*Under Zimmerman’s fantasy scenario of being pounded into the pavement, retreat was not a realistic option, so if the lie about being attacked and then being slammed into the ground were true, duty to retreat in a non-SYG state would not apply.
Obviously I’m 100% behind the murdered child here and condemn all the people who are defending the racist psychopath and his friends in the justice system. However, there is a grain of truth to the allegations that some people are co-opting this to put forth an agenda about guns and/or self-defense. Let’s not make it about that. You can be an unqualified supporter of Second Amendment rights and self-defense, as I am, without supporting people who just go out looking to commit a murder and find what they are looking for (in fact, I wish Martin had a gun, as this might have ended with the right person getting shot). You can also oppose this horrible travesty of justice without turning it into a gun-control crusade and alienating people who want to agree with you, so I suggest going that route.
I had no idea that I was. My point was simply that Zimmerman/Batman thinks he can pick a fight/have confrontation/whatever and then shoot them. If he had a knife and stabbed Trayvon to death, I’d feel the same way. This guy is SO guilty of at least Man One.
As far as the cops go with covering this up, what exactly was their point? I’m confused as to why the prosecutor didn’t follow the investigator’s suggestion of arrest as are many others. And as far as who leaked Trayvon’s school record, I wouldn’t put it past the dumb cops.
I don’t know if Zimmerman was attacked or not, I’m leaning way towards “it’s a lie”, but the video of him at the station shows no evidence for or against the matter. The guy is an asshole for starting this in the first place.
I posted this in the other thread:
Now I’m seeing Zimmerman’s father in a shaded interview where he basically repeats any news article, adding the phrase “at some point” about 20 times. "At some point, Trayvon said ‘Now you’re gonna die’, or, “you’re gonna die tonight.”
What a crock of absolute shit. Arrest the guy and let a real investigation begin.
Robert Zimmerman, father of George, is a retired magistrate according to CNN.
Is it just me, or does this tragedy have almost every single criminal law cliche in it? Profiled black teenager, check. Wannabe police officer, check. Public howling for blood, double check. Backlash against the prevailing opinion, check. Arresting officer overruled by the district attorney. Law enforcement ties to the accused. Cover-up allegations. Am I missing anything?
Says the guy who just made up a strawman to prove that we would believe whatever we want. Says the guy who is right this very second converting the evidence to go with his point of view. Says the guy who just saw a man with no sign of injuries, and is arguing that we should completely discount it. Says the guy who always claims he’s trying to be impartial, but clearly always takes the side that’s opposite to the “evul librulz.”
Take the plank out of your own eye before trying to take the sawdust out of ours.
EDIT: Oh and Locrian: Last I checked, Bricker claims that the SYG law makes it impossible to arrest Zimmerman without first proving it wasn’t self-defense. Hence the real reason to hate that law.
My god.:eek: It’s a perfect shitstorm.
Has Nancy Grace weighed in on this yet?!?
Though she did receive some mild ‘online opinion piece’ criticism because she didn’t ramp up coverage immediately like she did in other cases.
That’s it! We’re missing a missing white woman!
That video shows his head from just about every angle, and there isn’t even a scratch on it.
The Sanford Police Department is (as they say) troubled. (Check out the Wiki-page, edited by one of my favorite people.) Frankly, the best thing they can do is let the sheriff take this case over.
“Sure, the evidence isn’t there… but even if it WAS, you’d be claiming it wasn’t!”
A smarter man than you would realize when all you’ve got left is this steaming turd, it’s time to stop reaching into your rhetorical briefcase.
You know, Randy, if you decide you just can’t take it any more, dealing with all us idiots… We’ll understand. It will be hard, at first, I’m sure, but, given time, we will adjust, we will find a way to continue on without you. It will leave an absence, an emptiness, a hole. A roundish, puckered sort of a hole.
I love how you guys keep insisting that I am making claims in support of Zimmerman when that is the farthest from the truth. I’m just trying to get you guys to see what you are doing, how you use any new fact to support your preconceived ideas. I have no preconceived ideas, I’m simply waiting for the truth.
Uh-huh.
I don’t think that was what Zimmerman was thinking at all. I think he figured that because he had a gun, he’d have total control of the situation and wouldn’t need to shoot anyone. After all, who’d be dumb enough to resist a man with a gun? Unfortunately, the idiot failed to notice two things:
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Because he wasn’t wearing a police uniform or a badge, a reasonable person could easily confuse Mr. Zimmerman with a common thug. (Lord knows that when I’m walking around alone at night and a strange man starts following me, I don’t immediately think “Oh, it’s Mr. Friendly the Neighborhood Watchman!”) And that reasonable person might even become frightened enough to resort to physical force to defend himself from an anticipated assault.
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If the confrontation DID become physical, the gun would become an immediate point of contention. Mr. Zimmerman would HAVE to shoot to protect his own life if he felt the eeevil gangbanger he was confronting was about to gain control of the weapon. And Mr. Martin, once he realizes that the eeevil thug he’s fighting with is armed, is going to have to either wrestle the gun away from the villain or knock him unconscious so he can’t use it, or he risks being shot and killed.
Does anyone see any way the gun doesn’t get fired in that situation? I don’t.
Which is, of course, why most people who legally carry concealed don’t even think of trying to step into the role of neighborhood policeman. It’s just too dangerous, for everyone. Police have those distinctively marked cars and fancy uniforms for a very good reason! Ad this is why, in my opinion, Mr. Zimmerman deserves to be convicted of at least manslaughter, even if he DID in fact have a reasonable fear for his life when he pulled that trigger. He only had that fear because he willingly put himself into that dangerous and totally avoidable situation int he first place.