Silly me! I thought he had such permission, something about his father’s girlfriend. A resident of said gated community. Not true? Boy, is my face red!
Yes, he did. Perhaps if he’d mentioned that to Zimmerman instead of, say, punching him in the face and slamming his head against the ground, there wouldn’t have been a problem.
That Zimmerman may have been mistaken in his suspicions doesn’t mean that they were unreasonable. Not that your posting style makes it obvious you know what “reasonable” means.
What evidence do you have for that besides the killers statement?
Afterall - it was the killer that got out of his truck and chased the dead guy.
Your sources are amazing! Can you share with the rest of us how you know he didn’t?
Martin’s girlfriend was on the phone to him at the beginning of the conversation between Zimmerman and Martin, and reports Zimmerman asking that, and Martin not answering. She also claims that at that point, she heard one of them push the other.
So, either Zimmerman asked Martin what he was doing, and without waiting for an answer attacked him, or Martin attacked Zimmerman rather than answer.
So no, he didn’t tell him that.
Accordiing to the girlfriend, he asked “What are you doing around here?” In your mind, that’s the same thing?
Yes, it is. Its a question he was quite entitled to ask, and whilst he wasn’t entitled to an answer, the police would have been when they arrived.
Indeed, that’s true! Because they are the police. And he isn’t. The police. Did they ask for his assistance, by any chance? Why no, no they didn’t, did they? Rather the opposite, wouldn’t you say?
Not the opposite, no. A telephone operator stated that they did not need him to follow Martin. Not that he shouldn’t, or mustn’t, or even that they would prefer him not to.
There is no reason for Zimmerman not to follow Martin and ask him what he’s doing there, apart from the obvious one that approaching suspicious people can be risky. As it indeed proved to be, judging by the state of Zimmerman’s face and head after the encounter.
Why do you refer to a dispatcher as a “telephone operator”? Are you hoping to insinuate that the person Zimmerman was talking to had no authority?
At any rate, the phrase in question is here:
at the 2:28 mark. The tone is clearly admonishment:
“Are you following him? OK, we don’t need you to do that”.
And then a whole long part with the dispatcher trying to get Zimmermans location so as to meet the police who are on their way. And Zimmerman appears to be cooperative, he’s at such and such a place, he will be there to meet them, and the conversation ends.
And then, of course, Zimmerman proceeds to follow Martin. Or actually, goes looking for him.
(I had no idea that last part of the conversation was so long. I got the distinct impression that the dispatcher was trying to get Zimmerman to commit to staying where he was until the police got there. YMMV.)
I’ll quite happily state clearly that the person Zimmerman was talking to had no authority over him.
No matter how hard you try to twist things, there’s nothing wrong with Zimmerman’s actions up to and including the point where he asked Martin what he was doing.
Or the equally obvious that following someone down a back alley between houses is at the least scary (for the other guy) and can be seen as quite threatening, particularly when you specifically get out of your truck to do so.
Uh Martin asked Zimmerman a question first. Perhaps if Zimmerman had stated he’s with NW and he’s already called the police because he thinks Martin’s up to no good, Trayvon might still be alive.
Plus fuck that Frank Taaffe shit. “If Trayvon had been truthful…”
I’ll do more than insinuate it.
The dispatcher had no authority.
Ok, I’ll change that to “If Martin had done anything other than punch Zimmerman in the face”. Zimmerman probably should have said something different too, but just as Martin had no obligation to answer, neither did he.
I’m not claiming that Zimmerman’s behaviour was exemplary, or even sensible, but neither was it illegal or reprehensible.
Yes.
He said as much to the 911 operator:
Walking slowly in the rain, looking at houses, in an area that had suffered multiple burglaries.
How about:
- We’ve had lots of recent breakins
- Here’s a guy walking slowly in the rain, looking at houses
- When most people in the rain would walk more briskly, to get where they’re going sooner and thus be out of the rain
- Therefore he might be looking at houses to identify an unoccupied one
With all this argument for Zimmerman having profiled a black, I wonder if the accusers are aware that Zimmerman is actually black himself.
What, since yesterday?
Come on Bricker. You couldn’t get a defendant off bason those charges?! Plus you know who else walked in the rain? Zimmerman.
Zimmerman needed to take action based on that?! Could the police take Martin in based on what Zimmerman said?(let’s assume he wasn’t high then)
Fucked up logic. How much rain is necessary to require a brisk pace and did it meet that threshold? I’ve actually walked not ran in a downpour.