Does anyone else find it strange that the villain doesn’t die?
If you mean Rose’s fiance, he died penniless after the stock market crashed, so I think he suffered plenty.
Not a fan of the 1997 film. I found it an absolute bore until the last half hour.
A Night to Remember is excellent however.
I thought she was referring to the iceberg.
Titanic and her ilk got back at the iceburg through climate change. Machines never forget.
Rose’s fiancee survived because he was a selfish bastard. That’s kind of the whole point of his character being there. Otherwise they could have made a movie about the innocent, sheltered Rose meeting the poor but exciting Jack, only without the romantic triangle.
Come to think of it, that probably would have been just as strong a plot, and cut a good half-hour out of the story.
If you’re into morbid stuff here’s a full 2 hour 40 minutes simulation of the Titanic in the aftermath of striking the iceberg right to breaking in half and being swallowed by the ocean
Why do people forget about the snobby rich guy? It’s not like he was insignificant to the story. What would the movie have even been like without him? Every good movie has character that everyone in the audience wants to die.
“The snobby rich guy” is what I call Rose’s fiance, if anyone was confused.
Trees don’t forget, either. They got Sonny Bono.
It’s been a long time so I forget if the Titanic’s long-lasting coal fire was featured.
I do recall the outtake where Unsinkable Molly Brown (Kathy Bates) is seated in the lounge ordering more ice for her drink just as the 'berg passes the porthole.
I was given a model kit of the USS Nautilus many Xmases ago. Had it been a Titanic kit with plastic iceberg, would my psyche be spoilt?
It’s also unlikely he ever found another woman who would have him.
I wonder if he’d ever bothered to insure the necklace he gave to Rose, too.
Cal Hockley wasn’t the, or even A, villian. Despite Cameron’s ham-handed efforts to make him so. (like the subtle dig that Cal had provided steel for the Titanic. One theory about how it got so damaged is that the steel was brittle. So Cal is responsible for everyone that died.)
Cal wanted to marry Rose, not be cuckholded by some punk ass kid. He gave her family everything, and she returned it by betraying his trust. She could have just said no before it went so far.
If there is a villain it would be one of:
J Bruce Ismay, for demanding Smith run the ship too fast for conditions, and then jumping in a lifeboat like a sniveling coward
E. J. Smith, for acquiescing to Ismay’s “request”
Spicer Lovejoy, for being a murdering bastard and Cal’s thug
Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon, for (possibly) bribing his way on a lifeboat and not allow it to be filled to capacity, dooming probably 20 people to certain death
The cruel sea
It wasn’t. Neither was the inferior quality steel used in constructing the hull.
The ship was going faster than it ever had before because an extra boiler was lit the evening of the collision, most likely to finish off what was left of the coal in the bin after the crew had managed to more or less put the fire out.
It’s likely that the fire weakened the steel even further, making it more susceptible to damage from the collision.
You think Rose’s was the only well-to-do Old Rich family that wasn’t so rich anymore and was looking to sell off a daughter for the moolah? I admire your faith in humanity.
He did. That was explicitly stated at some point during the movie, I believe as part of establishing Rose’s bona fides early on. Something like “What was the name of the guy who would have filed the claim for the diamond you claim was around your neck?”
I mean, he was kind of a controlling jerk regardless, though. He treated her like property from the get-go, as did her mother, albeit more lovingly in the case of the latter.
Other than hearsay testimony, there has never been a shred of evidence to support either claim. In fact, a number of nautical experts, including the captain if the Carpathia, testified that such a scenario was unimaginable.
Smith’s decision not to slow down, while reckless and unconscionable, was likely based on the exceptional visibility the evening of the collision. There’s also the possibility that he never even read the latest ice warnings received that afternoon and evening.
In other words, he was both negligent and overconfident. There’s no proof that he was ordered to take risks by Ismay or anyone else.
Hardly that.* In case you didn’t know, many of the first-class male passengers who survived were tainted for years afterward with the stigma of not having surrendered their places in the lifeboats to women, children, and others less fortunate.
It’s been more than 20 years since I’ve seen the movie, but the next time I do, I’ll watch out for the line about insurance.
*I have absolutely no faith in humanity.
Also, he failed to properly supervise the crew in loading and launching the life rafts. Sorry, Captain, no credit for going down with the ship. Partial credit for ensuring that the life rafts, insufficient though their number may be, at least launch full.
ETA: No need to watch the full movie. The exchange about the insurance claim is included toward the end of this short clip:
If he had been 3 foot high/drooling/deformed/downright evil, simply by being rich, he would have had thousands and thousands of impoverished/genteel borderline/and downright wealthy women vying for his attention. Our Rose was only feisty to take a feminist stand (rebelling against the suffocating standards of her mother’s generaton) and to be a love interest for Jack… Your statement made me spit out my coffee onto the keyboard.
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Also, he failed to properly supervise the crew in loading and launching the life rafts. Sorry, Captain, no credit for going down with the ship. Partial credit for ensuring that the life rafts, insufficient though their number may be, at least launch full.
ETA: No need to watch the full movie. The exchange about the insurance claim is included toward the end of this short clip:
[/QUOTE]Thanks; I’ll check it out when I have a moment.
After the collision, Smith and the ship’s other officers were responsible for what Wyn Craig Wade calls “paralysis at the top.” They were taken by surprise and completely unprepared to deal with the crisis.
There were a great many reasons for this besides negligence and overconfidence. If you haven’t read Wade’s books on the subject (I have the original edition that came out in the '80s), I highly recommend them.
Did you read my follow-up?