TNG vs DS9: Ferengi and Trill continuity problems, Data, and generic starships

I was without a television and VCR for about eight years, and so I hadn’t been able to watch my Star Trek: TNG and DS9 tapes in quite a while. Having recently acquired a new TV and VCR, I’ve been enjoying watching all of these episodes, one after another. I’ve discovered that watching them all so close together allows me to notice things that I probably wouldn’t notice while just watching the episodes ones a week as they were aired. So perhaps some of you can help me out with a few “issues” I’ve discovered (apologies for not having episode titles at hand):

1 - In The Next Generation, we saw that the big-eared Ferengi don’t like loud noises. Specifically, in the Ferengi’s first appearance, while on the alien planet with members of the Enterprise crew, the Ferengi would scream and writhe in agony at every clap of thunder. Understandable. But flash forward a few years to the DS9 episode where Quark and Rom travel to the Ferengi homeworld to deal with their mother’s misbehavior. we see that the weather on Ferengar seems to consist of constant rain and thunderstorms! So why do Ferengi, raised on a thunder-prone world, hate thunder on an alien planet?

2 - In the TNG episode, “The Host”, the Trill race is introduced. The Trill, Odan, makes it quite clear that he will not travel via transporter because doing so would damage his symbiont. And yet, in DS9, we see Jadzia Dax cheerfully transporting on a regular basis. With no mention of any ill effects to the symbiont. What’s up with that?

3 - Data. Somewhere around the fourth or fifth season, Data mentions that he has been in Starfleet for twenty-six years. A major character point was that Data desperately wanted to become human. In the first season, we saw an android severely lacking in human characteristics. He became more and more human as the TNG series progressed. So why did he make such dramatic progress in the seven years of TNG, but almost no progress in his previous 18 - 20 years in Starfleet?

4 - Generic alien ships. There have been numerous alien races that have appeared in only one episode of TNG. In many cases, we were shown the ship used by that race, and this is the best example of what I meant by noticing things when watching episodes back-to-back rather than once a week. These one-shot aliens all seem to use the same ship! The ship I’m talking about is always brown/bronze in color, and kind of wedge-shaped, with a blunt nose. It’s dramatically smaller than the Enterprise. Watching the show when it was originally aired, this ship was probably seen only 3-4 times per season, with the instances being spaced out over the course of the season. So you wouldn’t really notice the repetition. But I watched the entire series over the course of about two months, so naturally I noticed the same ship showing up over and over. I have also seen this same ship design docked at DS9 several times. This leads me to the conclusion that this is simply a “standard design”, perhaps built by some commercial interest, and sold to any interested buyer. Kind of like a Boeing 747 - built in the USA but sold to airlines around the world. So this starship is purchased by many different races, and then perhaps converted by the buyers to different configurations for different purposes. I’m also starting to get the impression that this is a Vulcan ship. Do the Vulcans build and sell ships to other planets? Or perhaps provide other races with the design for this ship?

Thanks for any information on these questions :slight_smile:

Pure speculation here:

#1) The writers realized that while it worked OK as a one-shot episode that the transporter would damage the symbiont, this would case serious problems with a regular Trill character. Thus, they conveniently forgot about that first episode. :wink: Notice they altered more than Ferengi couldn’t handle loud noises in the episode the Ferengi were first introduced. It’s like there was a major shift in the way Ferengi behaved in just a few years.

#2) One could imagine that after it was realized transporter technology would damage Trill symbionts, somebody figured out how to tweak transporters so this would no longer happen. They just never mentioned this in an episode.

That’s a good one. Never noticed it before. But the ferengi characterizations were all over the place until DS9. Remember the scary lightning whips?

That’s the least of the Trill inconsistancies, and the easiest to explain. Odan’s symbiont was apparently a secret, so the biofilters wouldn’t know to expect it and would filter it out. By the time of DS9, Trill symbionts are common knowledge and transporters can be programmed to ignore them. (Of course I’m sure there are some episodes where Jadzia is tranported by some old rusty technology or ignorant aliens that couldn’t possibly have the latest “McAfee biofilter update,” but
that’s another story.)

More troubling is the difference in the makeup schemes (different races of trill?) and the degree of “Blending” of the personalities. (Odan’s symbiont completely took over Riker, and claimed to be the same Odan in his new female body, while Jadzia and later Ezri emphasize that each host brings something to the joined personality). Then there’s also the DS9 episode Rejoined, where we learn joined trills are supposed to avoid rekindling romances from previous hosts. Yet, that’s exaxtly what Odan tries to do.

critical mass?

Besides, the transporters on DS9 are Cardassian transporters. The technology is different. Yeah, that’s it.

(Come on, we’re talking about a series that spanned thirty years and five different shows, plus nine movies. Continuity errors are going to pop up. I mean, in the unused pilot for TOS, which was spliced together for the only two-part episode, Spock is smiling. That was never explained.)

Generic Alien Ships
Well, just because a race is space faring doesn’t mean they came up with on their own. They may have been visited by space faring races and then bought a spaceship from some sort of spaceship dealer. Of course the outside looks the same but it is the after market interior that is really different.

That is, far and away, the continuity error that bugs me the most. The shot of Spock grinning from ear to ear at that damn flower is just completely jarring. All I can rationalize is that the younger, half-human Spock hadn’t yet chosen to completely follow Vulcan ways. And that just makes me wonder why I feel the need to rationalize a goddamn continuity error in the first place, instead of just cursing the people responsible.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I recall in the TNG pilot that Riker makes a comment to the guy running Farpoint station alluding to the fact that Ferengi eat humans. Yet that never really panned out in later episodes either.

And if I’m thinking of the same “generic” starship you are, it’s the one that the Pakleds couldn’t make go. Which explains how they, as a race, managed to get into space – they just bought their starships from Boeing!

No. This was a pilot, and the producers didn’t even know if NBC would pay for a series. When TOS series went into production, the intent was to ditch the original pilot, and in the production series they decided to make Spock logical. That logical part wasn’t thought of when that first pilot was made.

Then someone got the idea to save money and incorporate the original pilot in a 2 part episode to save money. Continuity errors be damned.

The way I explain Data to myself is that he was used by Star Fleet for several years in research matters, becaue they couldn’t wrap their minds around the idea of an android serving in Star Fleet. So he served on remote outposts for a long time, and did work where he didn’t interact with humans much. His service on Enterprise was his first long-term intensive interaction with humans.

Because we love the show and want to give it as much leeway as possible.

Shoeless, I don’t remember Riker making that comment about Ferengi in the pilot, but I could be mistaken. In any event, they knew nothing about Ferengi until the phaser-whip episode. Interesting how they kept the whole “Ferengi females don’t wear clothes” fact intact. Maybe that’s a tidbits the writers weren’t prone to forget. :wink:

Because we love the show and want to give it as much leeway as possible.

Shoeless, I don’t remember Riker making that comment about Ferengi in the pilot, but I could be mistaken. In any event, they knew nothing about Ferengi until the phaser-whip episode. Interesting how they kept the whole “Ferengi females don’t wear clothes” fact intact. Maybe that’s a tidbit the writers weren’t prone to forget. :wink:

Yes, I know. But, given that the “Spock is logical and without emotion” decision was made for the full series before they re-edited the pilot to work it into the 2-part episode, how hard would it have been for the responsible people to keep out that 2-second shot of Nimoy and his ear-to-ear smile?

That is why I curse the continuity people on that one.

Maybe the frequency’s different? A higher pitch on the alien world?

I’ve seen that rationalized as it being a Trill to Trill thing, not neccesarily something all joined members have to go through but something that only sensitive ones have to endure. The Dax symbiont was more hale than the Odan one so it didn’t need special care.

Or something.

Easy. They were a species that was known to humans but which they hadn’t yet met so there was lots of unsubstantiated rumors floating around. Human nature.

What? Star Trek has inconsistencies?

no…

:slight_smile:

IIRC, the guy threatened to do business with the Ferrengi instead, and Riker said something like : I hope tyhey find you as tasty as their other business partners. I think he was joking.

At this point the Federation had had no direct contact with the Ferrengi, and knew about them only through second hand rumour.

Yup, that’s the ship. Off the top of my head, I think those alien women in “The Game” (the episode with the luscious Ashley Judd as Lt. Robin Lefler getting her first onscreen kiss from Wesley Crusher) were also using the same ship design.

She has used Starfleet transporters any number of times :slight_smile: Other answers here sound reasonable - transporters were adjusted, or the Dax symbiont was simply more hardy.

Well, in the case of Riker Odan, the takeover was necessary to accomplish the negotiations, since Riker knew none of the details. And of course, Riker didn’t host the symbiont long enough for the personalities to blend. Also, Riker was weakened by hosting the symbiont, so probably wasn’t strong enough to prevent Odan from taking over. I also suspect that the taboo against reassociation may only apply to Trill/Trill relationships. There didn’t seem to be any problem with Sisko resuming his close friendship with Dax, though of course theirs wasn’t a romantic relationship.

Another thing that’s been bugging me: What is that thing called that the Ferengi wear on the back of their heads? And why doesn’t Quark wear one? I guess Quark leaves it off because Grand Nagus Zek leaves it off - Quark once mentioned that he had modeled himself after the Nagus…

And just an observation – Major Kira was, without a doubt, the hottest female regular character in any of the ST series. Sigh

The Ferengi skull thing is never named or even mentioned by anyone in any episode I have ever seen and I’ve always been curious about it too. I belong to a Trek messageboard and might have to start a thread over there to see what they say and then crosspost… my curiosity’s piqued. My WAG is that it’s just some sort of turban type thing. The Ferengi name comes from Farsi, if I remember right, and that might have influenced their costuming since Persians are stereotyped as all being turbaned.

And Kira’s hot, yes, but not the hottest. As much as I have to come to love her in the past year, she’s still no Ezri or Hoshi. And if semi-regs are included, no Leeta either. She’s definitely hotter than the overrated Jadzia, Seven, and T’Pol though.

I thought I read the Ferengi headress thing was needed in early episodes because the makeup people hadn’t perfected the look for the back of their rather bulbous heads so they invented that thingy to cover them up. By the time Quark was a major character on a series they had worked out the makeup. Anyone else remember something like this?

I agree Kira was way hot. Never was into Jadzia myself.

Fine, but I hereby claim Mirror Universe Jadzia for myself. :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyway, I remember seeing a similar Ferengi headdress explanation - that it hid the prosthetic seam along the back of the neck - might’ve been in the DS9 Companion book IIRC…

One of my favorite Quark moments was when O’Brien designed a device to drive away Cardassian voles with a high-pitched tone. When he turned it on, we hear nothing, but Quark screams and collapses on the ground clutching his ears.

That might be the explanation but it’s not in the DS9 Companion. I recently read it cover to cover and no mention of their headdress was in it.