december has worked very, very hard to get the scorn he receives.
Yeah, but you’d think rjung would know better, or a mod would warn/ban him. Especially since it’s not the first time.
(On preview, I notice that rjung has appeared. Perhaps you’d like to explain yourself?)
No rest for the wicked, I see.
In order:
elf6c: hmmm… So, paraphrasing:
me: “In any given thread, let’s be polite until he does something worth being impolite about.”
elf6c: “Oh, I see, so it’s just that december is being oppressed, rather than being annoying.”
I read that as a blatant misrepresentation of what I’m saying, and since I have no problem with people reacting to blatant misrepresentations, I… well, reacted to what I perceived as a blatant misreprentation. I’m not at all sure how I was to infer your clarified meaning from your first post. But if you say that you did not, in fact, mean to imply what it sure as hell looks to me like you intended to imply, I’ll take your word for it, and extend the requisite apology.
Ludovic: you have, of course, forgotten the possibility that this was intended along the lines of “here’s something I thought was interesting. Let’s discuss it.” That certainly seems to be a perfectly reasonable way to proceed, although it would facilitate the debate if he were, in the next post, to discuss it himself. Which would be a legitimate thing to call him on.
None of this changes the fact that he was called for doing something which he didn’t fucking do. Which is wrong.
Guin: :rolleyes: (Heh heh. I slay me!)
rjung: yes. Yes he has. So what? When he does something worth tearing him a new one about, tear him a new one. He’ll deserve it. And when he hasn’t done something worth ripping him on yet, don’t rip him on it anyway.
Frankly, the kind of justifications y’all are giving for being rude absolutely appall me. Not, I’m sure, that you care, but Christ on a cracker, I would hope that a group of reasonably intelligent people could behave themselves! Apparently, this is asking to much of some of you. And that’s really depressing. Enlightening, but depressing.
You know people there are millions of "conservative"people that would have nothing to do with the prevalent “liberal” views that are expressed here on the board. They would dismiss us as a bunch of unpatriotic pampered assholes. Don’t count me as a conservative but the Bush bashing that goes on here makes me puke.(So does the Clinton bashing though it does not occur as often). It is my view that december is the arch non religious conservative member on this board . He shows a great deal of respect to everyone and is second only to Polycarp in this regard.
Because of the predictability of the responses to his threads, I rarely open them anymore. These responses are basically kneejerk and as far as I’m concerned all too often to put down December is merely a social device to gain and maintain acceptance by the majority of the vocal SDMB community. It’s the pack mentality to put down the omega member in order to establish a position in the heirarchy, and rarely would anyone dare to voice agreement with December without expressing the caveat that he/she rarely agrees with him.
Personaly, I can’t help but remember how one thread went:
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December posted question on why certain groups still support Robert Mugabe, dictatorial ruler of Zimbabwe.
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Second person found a reference to Mugabe’s Marxism, impling this as the answer to december’s question.
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I, using the support list, made guesses about why the groups supported Mugabe.
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Elucidator makes snarky comment.
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Thread died.
grieny I absolutely categorically disagree that december is respectful of other posters. See my posts above for why.
I know you’re accustomed to the Collunsbury style of ‘being disrespectful’ of another poster, but I assure you that decembers’ cloyingly smug oversimplifications and ‘aw shucks, surely you don’t mean that, for that would make you a bigoy’ kind of shit is just as demeaning, insulting, disrespectful, IMHO.
Hi emarkp. I’m just dropping by to tell you that this board has moderators making those judgement calls (as opposed to, say, random member who think they are moderators). Moderators, who do so in their own time, free of charge. They’re not infallible: sometimes, life gets in the way of things, and they are unable to read every single fucking word written on the SDMB that particular day. Which is why our software comes equiped with this nifty “report this post to a moderator” functionality: it is a link underneath each post. Now, unless you actually reported those two linked posts using that exact feature, I’m going to have to kindly ask you to shut the fuck up, and leave the judgement calls to those whose job it is to make them.
You know what the funny thing is? I would probably not have read your post, had a helpful poster not reported it by using the reporting feature! What a hoot, huh?
A ‘never know what to expect’ amazing post from Diogenes the Cynic. Hear, hear.
Yes you jumped to the wrong conclusion- the darn smiley was the first hint. I don’t imply- if I have something to say, I just say it.
BTW- the only thing you have to apologize for, in theory, is going personal so fast over such a trivial matter in a thread about civility. But seeing I wasn’t offended (a little snark is good for the soul 
), no harm no foul- ok?
Try to remember their are two ways of viewing conflicts (not to sound too much like Dopers are from Mars, december is from Uranus)- serial verus episodic. You believe that every individual episode is isolated and should be judged on it own merit (right?), where other view here is that his posts are viewed in light of prior offenses on that same topic (as he almost never changes his schick) and his prior offenses on this board in general.
Both are valid approaches. I favor the second especially when the poster in question sticks to the same 4 posts over and over. IMHO, you are judged by your conduct, content and posting history, and thus no post is in a vacumn. It other words, what comes around goes around.
Try to keep this in mind. Posts like this:
can come off as smug, which I doubt was the intent and this
again goes for the personal insult, which only detracts from your attempted point. Is this wise, especially seeing you could be wrong.
Plus the episodic thinkers tend to remember these things.
Nope. When you have been a jerk consistently several hundred times you have lost your right to be taken seriously.
It was stated by someone the last time this topic came up that it’s really rather simple. December is a conservative poster on a liberal board who starts a lot of threads. He is bound to get flamed often.
Those that are complaining about some imaginary insulting demeanor of his just don’t like his politics. There are dozens of posters much worse than him who don’t get the same wrath because they aren’t a conservative who starts threads constantly.
Exactly, sailor. december is the classic “boy who cries wolf”.
We just don’t trust him, and we’re beyond caring anymore.
Oh, and I’d like to join b]Tee** in agreeing wholeheartedly with Diogenes’s thoughts on this.
This is brought up in EVERY SINGLE december Pit thread.
And each time, it’s been knocked down. It’s absolute bullshit. There are plenty of other conservative posters around here who do not draw the ire that december has. Why is that?
oh really - you’re a mind reader?? oh, how interesting, do start up a 'Ask me for I know you better than you know yourself" thread.
There’s any number of conservative posters here that I count as friends. Fenris is a very close bud; Scylla, Anthracite to name a couple more. Why, I even had (not in the biblical sense) UncleBeer in my car, and visited Xploder’s house.
and I’ve not joined in on any flamefests on any of them.
Similarly, I’ve not complained about zev, quite the polite, nice man, nor Izzy who’s opinions are damn near the polar opposite of mine.
OTOH, I have done some pretty open slaps at folks who’s politics I agree with.
how on earth do we reconcile the above facts with your claim here?
Hmmm
ponders a bit bore.
Yep, you’re fucking wrong.
(that would have gone so much better w/o that typo, don’t you think?)
I read your post wring but it was merely an expression of an opinion. Just like mine. However when you put someone down regardless of whatever forum, real life or pit, it would be appropriate to be able to prove it. So where can we find **December’s “ah shucks, for that would make you a bigoy’ kind of shit” post?
He claimed I was either a bigot or anti-semetic in a recent thread. After others protested, he appologized. I’m on my way out for the night and don’t have time to do a search. w/in the past couple of months.
In addition, he did a whole thead in GD entitled “The Soft bigotry of lowered expectations” in which he claimed that pretty much all liberals (of which I be one) were bigots in reality for supporting things like Affirmative Action.
I find that insulting to the max (and of course, incorrect).
Liberals use biased sources, too. They just think that BBC, NPR, CNN, et al, are unbiased nonpolitical sources. Washington Post -> unbiased. Washington Times -> biased. It’s like that.
For whatever reason — and they don’t even need any reason — the mods have allowed December to be called a troll despite any rule for quite some time now. It’s SOP (unbiased).
Ludovic and Gr8guy:
So is it ok to flame Elucidator for all of the Krugman columns he used to post as arguments?
Should we be flaming all of the “Where are the WMDS/Bush was lying” threads for the kneejerk partisan stupidity?
December is ok. If he’s the most extreme conservative on the board that certainly compares well with what I’m sad to say are more than a few hateful lying rude shits on the other end of the sprectrum.
And, on preview what grienspace said probably has some truth to it.