Mods, please lock this thread. I feel like having to defend not wanting people to beg me for money and break into my home.
Even casual reflection exposes what is wrong with Libertarian ideology, that the “purity” of it only exists as a theory, and this is borne out by the inability of the Libertarian party to even conduct itself without corruption and bureacracy.
Yeah, that’s why you got piled on. Your self-pity is even more disgusting than your hatefulness.
I thought that attitudes like Kel’s were only something quaint to laugh about, how the world and people’s conception of poverty and homelessness had matured over these last centuries since Bentham.
GoodonyaKel. Yer’ a fucking champion mate. :rolleyes:
ARE THERE NO WORK HOUSES? And the prisons and treadmills I asume they are still working?
Ok Kel, what are you willing to pay to keep these people off the streets? Will you pay extra taxes for the government to improson them or commit them to institutions? Will you mind if the government spends millions if not billions to keep you from being bothered?
Hey maybe we can force them into slave labour to pay for their lazy ways! Maybe we can round them up place them in isolated ghettos and quietly get rid of them before next Christmas.
I can understand your concern of a stranger showing up in your residence unannounced but your lack of sympathy for their situation and your ability to stereotype them all into a group of lazy beggers is astonishingly simple minded.
I’ll tell you one thing all the lazy shiftless people I have met in my life have been living quite well and not on the streets. Perhaps there is more to the situation than the small minded reasons you have given.
Kel, read your OP, and subsequent submissions - is this really how you want to be thought of? We’ve all read your diatribes and pissings in other threads. We know who you are. Tiny, tiny, petty, petty, little, little, eensy bitty sorry stinking you. But I’m not judging. Fuckpuddle.
Hee hee hee. Oooo please don’t make me have to defend my own stupidity because I can not!
You know bozo you could simply not respond to the thread. Or is the idea of people bashing you for being an A 1 Asshat too much for your fragile ego? :wally
WTF? Are you serious?
You’re about as sick as most of the homeless on the street, except they’re the harmless type of mentally ill for the most part. Your type of paranoid fuckrag sucking mentally ill, which causes unnecessary paranoia and spreads hate is much more dangerous to society than the homeless who aren’t helping our “team” out.
I’d much rather have a dirty, smelly, filthy, batshit crazy homeless person on my team than team mates of your stripe.
Fucker. I wish mental illness and homelessness on you.
Sam
I hesitate to type anything that sounds remotely like I’m supporting Kel, or that I take his rant seriously, especially in the pit, but here goes.
I think painting the homeless with the broad brush that they must either be mentally ill or incompetant is a bit like the idea that they should all get jobs - ignorant of the multitude of factors that contribute to homelessness.
Prior to my last relationship, I really was a homeless person sympathizer (that sounds so trite). Then, I wound up in a relationship where I supported my boyfriend for 14 months. He was perfectly capable of working, but just didn’t. My key moment was when his mother was lecturing him and asked if he just wanted to live on the street, after I broke up with him and he knew he only had a few months to find a job. His response? “why not,I could do it?”
I often wonder now how many people found themselves on the streets through ignorance or apathy, and once there - dirty, clotheless and penniless - found themselves so mired in a situation they couldn’t get out of.
Nonetheless, Kel’s response that they should just get a job is ignorant.
Just out of curiosity did he go to the streets? I don’t argue that there aren’t lazy folk or even the leeches out there but how many of them are the homeless?
Hell you live in Calgary, how lazy would you have to be to stay out on the streets in the winter when it goes to 20 below or more?
Living in TO I find the majority of the homeless seem to have quite a number of mental problems. True, there seem to be a few shiftless folk now and then but they seem to be the minority and when the weather turns they aren’t the ones out on the streets.
The truely shiftless seem to have a knack for finding the people or institutions to support their lifestyles (which are relatively high for what little they do) rather than just slum it out on the streets.
Lol, no he didn’t wind up on the streets, but at the time I was living in a much warmer climate than Calgary. I have to say, here, I notice the homeless situation is much less visable than on the West Coast. My experience in Vancouver was that the majority of the homeless seemed to be drug addicted, and therefore lacking the necessary drive (due to addiction) and “cleaned up” appearance to seek jobs. Nonetheless, my liberal soul was bruised by the experience, and I did begin to wonder if there are other shiftless slackers out there. By no stretch do I imagine this to be the majority, but this is the attitude I suspect is present in a much more extreme degree in those with the “get a job” philosophy. It was alarming for me to start having these thoughts, being the good little left winger that I am. That, and the friend I had in Grade 8 who ran away from home and found that she could make $60 a day (a fortune to a teen) panhandling on the streets and surfing beds and shelters. The truly homeless deserve our sympathy, but I’m starting to think there are SOME out there who could have had other options.
And I think you will find that many of the homeless who appear to be drug addicted or alcoholic are actually classified as "dual diagnosis’ folk, who, with major mental illnesses have used drugs and/or alcohol to attempt to beat their psychiatric demons.
Look, I agree that there are SOME who have made homelessness and begging a professional activity. But the vast majority are people just like you and me who have gotten sick, and have been unable to access medical treatment like you and me.
Compassion, or a decent health system…is it really such a dirty thing?
And you see yourself as John Rocker?
You realize these statements don’t really go together, right? I shouldn’t blame you, because it’s hard to be consistent when you’re hating people irrationally, but it makes you sound like a fucking moron.
You’re an athletic supporter.
I don’t think anybody begrudged you defending your own apartment. The “how dare you, you scum!” tone was a little much, and then you went and proved that that was only the tip of the iceberg. I know how you feel, and I’m still revolted by what you said. I live in a college town. There are a lot of homeless people, and once in a while you find one who acts like feels entitled to your money. It’s annoying and pretty shocking in its own way. I get pretty pissed - silently - when that happens. Having someone barge into your home is much worse, so I think you’ve earned your share of leeway. And you still managed to blow it by sounding like a complete douchebag. Perhaps you should take a minute to think about it. A reaction out of shock would be one thing. Your “hate” sounds very premeditated, and people have a lot less patience for that.
Bolding mine.
That is all.
Say, Kel. Instead pf starting threads that alternate between bland and uber-creepy (or offensive, degrading, etc) could you maybe just put it all on the table so we know what we’re dealing with?
And by the way, my uncle Tom isn’t scum. Wasn’t scum when he was homeless for 20-odd years. Will - I’m willing to bet - never be scum. Just so you know.
A view point from someone who could easily end up on Kel’s hatred list.
I have no problem saying that I suffer from mental illness because it’s nothing to be ashamed of and the stigma may never be eradicated if no one ever speaks out. And I found, after 8 long years of trying to get the progressively worse issues dealt with, to be a crap-shoot at best and dehumanizing around the bottom of the barrel.
I’ve been in therapy and I’ve tried every medication under the sun. Two hospital stays and at least three suicide attempts. Add in all kinds of other really bad choices to alleviate my useless existence and pain (like drinking and having an affair where someone, albeit eventually finding out he was the most horrible, skanky person imaginable, loved me and I thought, understood), you get a mixture of one very fucked up me.
That said, I’ve upon multiple occasions tried to ‘force’ myself to be well like I was before. If I had nothing else, I had a work ethic to be proud of and I’m a little educated. So, getting a job wasn’t that difficult. Keeping one though, proved to be almost impossible without the correct medication. Now, finally, after all this time and too many psychiatrists to count, it seems we’ve hit on the right thing. Sadly, it’s such a slow process that I almost can’t get past it. My agoraphobia doesn’t help and re-assimulating (Ie: akin to completely starting over again after a tragic accident) is the hardest thing I’ll ever do. But I keep hoping and working towards becoming, once again, a contributing member of society.
That said, I’m thisclose to being on the streets. I’m at the mercy of my soon-to-be ex-husband who I profess should be elevated to sainthood. We haven’t divorced yet because he refuses to let that happen or me not have insurance. I have no other place to go due to everyone running away at some point because they couldn’t deal with this. Rightly so, in my humble opinion. But with no friends left anymore at all and never having much family to begin with (and my mother, who constantly strives to help make it worse by insulting/castigating/refusing-to-be that her demon possessed daughter (IF I’m really her) is anything but what you suggested – lazy, acting, attention whoring, whatever, would only serve to be the last thing to definitely push me over the ledge), I am stuck until, with time, everything, hopefully, goes back to normal. And it’s very hard to wait and continue to see it through until that happens. You hate yourself, have fears that you’ll never get there or be normal or not relapse and fall further backwards in a spiral that you will NOT get out of this time, can’t constantly fight against other’s judgment and the list is endless. Especially if you’ve lost everything in the interim. I’ve got no faith, no self-esteem, nothing left to sell and not a lot of belief in my situation. Therefore…
What would you have me to do? It seems I’m out of other options and if I did end up homeless, still batshit crazy and unemployable, I’ll need suggestions. Of course, that is unless you simply want me to disappear because I’m an inconvenience to you or a blight on the rest of the world by trying to get by. Should I be done away with, like the folks reaching 30 in Logan’s Run? Which for the most part, sometimes feels like the right thing to do and I desperately desire that solution.
I won’t reiterate all the hurdles one must overcome once they’re in that lamentable state. Other Dopers have done a much better job than I could ever hope to. But let me just say that I pity you more than them. They probably still hold unto their compassion and humanity. You, however, voluntarily forfeit yours because you can’t be disturbed in any sense by these nuisances. What a shame and an even bigger waste of having the ability to still think clearly, rationally and follow through with that.
Perhaps your kind are what needs to be rounded up to save the much more dignified from. Like the homeless.
Again, I can’t feel sorry for you enough. But sadly, you don’t deserve even that.
(Sorry for such a lengthy [ but not unusual ::: sigh ::: ]post to those that are reading along, but obviously, this is just one cause that is more than near and dear to my heart. Thank you, if anyone got this far, for listening. Oh, and Kel, one last thing. Remember, but for the grace of whatever Higher Power, there you might go. Can you imagine that? I wonder if anyone would help you? Or just be disgusted and label you _________, that may or may not, be accurate -or- correct. You should be ashamed. Unfortunately, that’s probably never happen and I stand a better chance of landing the presidency, female-ness be damned.)
Oh, by the way. I just read another thread and I’d like to point out, that despite how bad things have gotten for me (and my STB ex), we never sought any government assistance whatsoever. But it is there for those who need and distressingly, I probably will soon. For the first time in my life, my family, used-to-be friends or acquaintances in general. If it comes to that though, I’ll do my best to speak out on that as well and attempt to help, inform and be as little ashamed as I can muster. Because, in my humble opinion, must that rely on that do need it.
How could you think this is treating someone with respect? Perhaps it’s not being overtly rude, but there’s no way you could think this was treating someone with respect. By your own admission - and before this woman turns up to defile your precious space - you thought ill of her and lied to her. Now you accuse her of “failing to show you the same respect?”
If we’re to believe what’s been written in other threads, it sounds like you may live near our dearest Karl. Keep your eyes peeled. In case you’re not sure what he looks like, he’s the one that insists on wearing his underpants on the outside.