I don’t reckon it does. It also doesn’t take into account of men or women killed by their gay lovers - and since men commit 88% of the murders, you can draw your own conclusion about that.
That was the closest stat I could find, and it obviously includes and omits some relevant cases going both ways. (It’s not like men have never hired anyone to off their wives.)
Yeah, I’m heartless like that.
I didn’t care on a couple of different levels: mainly, I didn’t care about it with respect to this debate, because one data point doesn’t mean shit. But after that, I’m just not concerned with the travails of celebs in general; I figure the world’s already full of people who hurt every time a celebrity bleeds; it doesn’t need one more.
IOW, you have no data, and no counterargument. Thanks for playing.
Circumcised men, by all accounts I’ve ever heard of, have no problems reaching orgasm on account of circumcision. Needless to say, that’s not the case for circumcised women.
Nice and all that they’re analogous to the extent that you’ve mentioned, but that’s as far as it goes. They’re not analogous in their effects on the circumcisee.
Sorry for the (almost) double post, but I wanted to clarify this. The pay scale and rules in this document apply only to Equity actors working in a LORT (League of Resident Theatres) theatre. There are other agreements between Equity and individual theatres, but they are quite similar to this. I am unaware of any that specify different rates based on the sex of the actor.
Rdr’s Dgst version: Yes, women make about 76% of what men make, but not for the same work. By law, since 1963, employers must pay the same salary for the same work. The discrepancy in payscale can mostly be accounted for the facts that a) Women as a whole tend to work fewer hours, and b) Women as a whole tend to work in lower-paying professions.
Does this mean there is no discrimination? Not at all. But to suggest that there is some sort of sexist conspiracy afoot to pay women less is just plain false. Or mostly false.
I don’t have a cite, but I think it’s pretty well known that if there is a domestic dispute, it’s the man who’s going to get cuffed, regardless of who started it.
And in the case of a custody battle, most times the mother will win, regardless of who is the more fit parent.
Not all the time, of course, but enough that you can hedge your bets with reasonable accuracy.
Gender discrimination goes both ways. Women have clearly gotten the short end of the stick, but it does happen the other way. One can only hope that the end result of the feminist movement is equality all around.
Nice cite, but I should point out that life in the theatre is hardly a microcosm of life on the outside. Theatre life is, to say the least, a whole nother animal. Don’t believe me? Just ask a typical male office worker to define “pancake”, I’m betting he won’t tell you it’s something he puts on his face every night.
Because in my experience that a woman can push as hard as she likes (both physically and emotionally) but when the man pushes back, he’s somehow the criminal. Cops get manipulated by women quite often, and when the cops don’t buy it, the woman cries foul, and allegations of “boys club” are tossed about.
Many a bloke has been hauled off to the slam on my watch because his woman accused him of something they later both admit either never happened, or was entirely the fault of the woman.
True abusers are more rare than the domestic violence crowd would lead you to believe. Not to say they don’t exist, because they do, but two adults having an arguement, does not always a valid domestic abuse allegation, make.
The ice is a LOT thinner for men in this arena, believe me.
No really I don’t ‘need to talk to someone’. Therapy is not required simply because I think that feminism is sexism against men.
Merely repeating the phrase glass ceiling does not mean that one actually exists. In what specific circumstances are women unable to attain positions high on the corporate ladder purely because they are women? Do you have any proof whatsoever that this ‘glass ceiling’ actually exists?
This is one of those claims that is often thrown out by feminists, but is never actually proven. Can you prove that for the exact same work, same experience, and same number of hours worked, women are actually being paid less than men?
I doubt you can, since it’s not true.
If that’s what you (or anyone else) are going to call me because I do not believe in your feminist ideals and refuse to toe your party line, then so be it. I will not pretend to be like you in order to gain your approval, and I think it’s ridiculous that you would even suggest I should.
Since women are more likely to hire a killer (and consequently more likely to get caught before the murder takes place by hiring an undercover cop), I have to take that statistic with a huge grain of salt.
Ironically one of the few reasons we ever heard about this case of domestic violence involving a woman killing a man was because the victim was a celebrity. How many others are there who will never be known in the media because they are not celebrities?
I don’t think that’s any reason to crusade against one and not the other.
And I’ve found that if I dig deep enough, the ‘former’ category starts spouting off myths (e.g. Super Bowl myth, 73 cents on the dollar myth) left and right soon enough. I have yet to meet someone who called themselves a feminist and didn’t buy into the mythical belief system.
Actually, when it goes to court, the father usually wins. That doesn’t count the fathers who back out custody fights because they’re not likely to win, though. IOW, it’s a self-selecting group of fathers with the best chance of winning.
I am delighted that women are growing up nowadays with this sort of attitude. It does indeed mean that in the battle over feminist goals, the right side won. For the most part.
A few thoughts here:
As I see it, “feminists” get a hell of a lot more attention from the Limbaughs and O’Reillys and Pat Robertsons of the world than from the left. Of course, those folks are trying to demonize feminism, and they’ve been fairly successful. Hence the routine distancing expression, “I’m no feminist, but…” preceding the statement of a feminist position.
There are some battles still to fight, on account of that crowd and their fellow travelers. Abortion rights really are in some danger in the near-term future: they will probably survive the current Supreme Court composition, but if octagenarian Justice John Paul Stevens should die or call it quits in the next 2+ years, then all bets are off. And a whole bunch of states have passed, or are passing, laws that protect pharmacists’ right to not provide oral contraceptives to women.
One can argue the morality of abortion, and that morality does have legal implications. But it’s hard to see what’s happening with contraceptives as anything other than an assault on women’s rights. So let’s not say we’re beyond the need for women to stick up for their particular rights until things are a bit more settled than they are today.
This is a total nitpick, but women aren’t a minority group; they’re the majority. Women have been a disadvantaged group, might be a better word.
Guys, don’t even bother trying to debate with catsix on this-she’s completely irrational. It’s like the word “feminist” somehow flips a switch in her brain.
Last time I checked, Gloria Steinem is not anti-male. And you ARE aware that Valerie Solanas was mentally ill, right? She didn’t write what she wrote because of feminism, she wrote it because she was batshit insane.
Male circumcision-while routine circumcision of male babies in the US is incredibly stupid, there are often medical reasons to have it done. There are no medical benefits to female circumcision. And the way it is practiced-holding down a kicking, scream pre-teen, cutting off most of her external genitalia with a dull, rusty blade and then stitching up the wound with thorns, can hardly be compared.
Look, I know how you are on this topic, and it really pisses me off that you can sit there and just tar an entire movement, which is very diverse, with such a wide-brush, simply because of some yahoos on a now defunct message board. If we just finally admit that we hate all men and want to cut off their penises, will you finally stop derailing every discussion on the issue? Amazon Floozy Goddess, I think Tracy’s screenname is from Katherine Hepburn’s character in The Philadelphia Story, rather than the underage porn star.
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Since women are more likely to hire a killer (and consequently more likely to get caught before the murder takes place by hiring an undercover cop), I have to take that statistic with a huge grain of salt.[/catsix]
Cite?
And bullshit.
catsix, your claim that feminism wants the credit for everything you’ve ever achieved is frankly, the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. It’s crap. Whatever you’ve done, you’ve done yourself. After all, the US is full of women who haven’t accomplished what you have, and they ostensibly benefit from feminsim as well, right?
However, perhaps you’d like to explain to me how you’d have done it if you hadn’t been allowed to go to college? Or to live alone? Or to handle your own money? Hey, I’m willing to believe that you’re such an exceptional person you could have gotten exactly where you are without these benefits. Tell me how.
Believe me, I would never say theatre life is normal by any stretch. I was merely responding to the OP’s assertion that her female actor friend would be payed less than the males in the show.
catsix, your claim that feminism wants the credit for everything you’ve ever achieved is frankly, the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. It’s crap. Whatever you’ve done, you’ve done yourself. After all, the US is full of women who haven’t accomplished what you have, and they ostensibly benefit from feminsim as well, right?
However, perhaps you’d like to explain to me how you’d have done it if you hadn’t been allowed to go to college? Or to live alone? Or to handle your own money? Hey, I’m willing to believe that you’re such an exceptional person you could have gotten exactly where you are without these benefits. Tell me how.
You got a cite for that “women are more likely to hire a killer” assertion?
I’ve got stats, imperfect though they may be. Let’s see yours.
There are “men’s rights” groups out there. Maybe if it’s a big issue, they can lobby for money for the government to produce more precise statistics and tell us.
Not likely this year, though. Federal statistical surveys are seeing big cuts right now.
IYHO. Mine is, I don’t feel at all victimized by my circumcision, and I don’t know anyone who does. But if something akin to what is done to female circumcisees was done to me, I damn sure would.
Since I don’t have time and energy to go on unlimited crusades, I’m going to pick and choose. Male circumcision is about 1,642nd on my list, somewhere below the difficulty pregnant women seem to have of getting a seat on the Metro.
Or, alternatively, a mens-rights blog could collect newspaper stories of women killing their male SOs (or having them killed by hired guns) instances from all over the country to get a rough count. Pretty much every homicide makes the paper somewhere; a group blog with a few hundred participants/commenters would cover all the big media markets, and most of the middlin’ ones.
One of us is a functional adult who holds down a full time professional position and the other is so mentally fucked up that working as a cashier is too stressful.
Hmm. You calling me irrational. That’s funny!
Oh really? Then why does the American Pediatrics Association not recommend it as a routine practice? There are rare instances in which it is used to correct a physical defect, but I’ve yet to see one medically sound reason for circumcising a healthy infant boy.
Isn’t that how male circumcision is performed in much of the undeveloped world? As a rite of passage right around the time of puberty?
Oh if it were only that. Unfortunately, I learned long before that ‘now defunct message board’ that feminism as a movement is nothing more than sexism dressed up in politically correct clothing.
OK, here’s a cite for you:
It’s news to me too, although it doesn’t surprise me that more non-custodial mothers partially or totally default on ordered support than do non-custodial fathers.
