That’s very funny! Gee, make up some bullshit statement about me and then use it to basically avoid addressing anything I said.
Well, not quite. To be fair, you did say:
Except…I said that ROUTINE circumcision is stupid. However, only an idiot would say that circumcision as practiced in the US is even remotely comparable to the way it’s done in the third world to male OR female. Especially female.
Jesus. Is nothing ever grey with you? It’s always black or white.
Not to hijack too much, but catsix’s contention that Phil Hartman was the victim of domestic violence is absurd. Her kids got a settlement from Pfizer because they sued the company over her use of zoloft, claiming that the drug caused her violent outburst. Of course, her cocaine and alcohol use probably didn’t help. Reports were that they had a “stormy” relationship or that they were past any problems and happy. Others state she had all kinds of problems, still more say she was a great wife and mother.
http://www.salon.com/health/feature/1999/07/19/zoloft/print.html
Who knows why his wife killed him. Could’ve be any number of reasons. In any report I’ve seen, domestic violence has never been listed as any contributing factor. Unless catsix has a cite, she should stop using Hartman’s death as an example.
Not that using it has anything to do with this thread. I get the feeling that she’s got her own bias and can’t see past her own bigotry. Oh, and that this post of mine will garner nothing more in response from her except the written equivalent of putting her fingers in her ears and saying “La, La, La…I can’t hear you!”
How many times have you posted here about your OCD and anxiety attacks that forced you to quit working for K-Mart?
What is it that you do for a living now?
You still want to call me irrational?
You were doing fine until you said ‘especially female.’ Have you seen some of the shit on the Discovery Channel about what happens to penises in some of the jungle-living tribes in South America and Africa?
I believe feminists are sexists. If that’s too black and white for you, too fucking bad.
Couldn’t ‘stormy’ relationship mean ‘domestic violence’? It wouldn’t surprise me in the least considering how trivialized violence against men is.
Oh, so basically you bring up my past history of illness to attack me! Good job!
Heard it already. Don’t you have anything new?
Methlab in the basement.
On this particular issue? Yes, I do. There are other times when I have agreed with you completely, but I’m hardly the only one who thinks you lose touch with all reality when it comes to the dreaded evil “feminists.”
Fair enough. You’ve got a point there. Still doesn’t mean that we can’t point out the horrors of female genital mutilation, and that it doesn’t remotely compare to routine circumcision of males as it is practiced in the US.
Every single one of them? So you’ve talked to EVERY woman who ever claimed to be a feminist?
And that’s wrong. Still doesn’t invalidate feminism. There’s a logical fallacy in there somewhere. (But men have it worse! Blah blah blah!)
I see you 1976 and raise you 1978. That was when my wife was refused a check cashing card at the grocery because I had to sign it - being the head and master of the household. This was in Louisiana. BTW, I was in grad school and she had the real job.
I’m sure catsix works hard, but so do men. The year before mine in high school, though, hard working men could go to Yale, while hard working women couldn’t. Hard working women couldn’t go to CalTech, or Harvard, or Princeton. They could go to MIT, but my class had only 15% women, while today it is 50%. Of course none of this had anything to do with feminism. :rolleyes:
My take on the OP - Tracy, I see women who seem to see trophy wife as a career goal as being less competition for you and for my daughters. Never lighten up a chump, that’s my motto.
Come on! The point of my post was that no one knows why she killed him. If you want to label “stormy” as domestic violence, you’d have give equal time to the other factors ** that have been cited as possible causes**. Show me a cite where domestic violence was ever listed as a (possible) cause, and I’ll gladly retract my statement.
Oh, an a cite on how trivialized domestive violence against men is? Not even a cite, just an example of it.
:dubious: Killing your spouse is pretty much, by definition, domestic violence.
Nothing like that in the SAG rules either. And actually, kids got paid the same as adults. My daughter never ran into problems when she acted, in fact her industrial (which was made for Japan) had more female roles than male roles - because one of the male roles was played by a Muppet.
I suspect ageism is more of a problem these days. Casting directors, though, discriminate in all kinds of ways that would be illegal for other jobs. Part of the business.
Oh seriously. That typology is as annoyingly insulting as “There are two types of Palestinian liberationists — there’s the ‘I just want to participate in Israel’s economic and social opportunities on equal footing with the Jewish citizens, subject to the same laws and salary rates as they are’ variety and there’s the ‘Bomb the Zionist pigs and finish what that German fellow started’ type”
It is reasonable and possible for a Palestinian activist to wish no violence against Jewish people or the state of Israel, and yet still have a long laundry list of changes they want that go beyond “I want the right to fit in and live as an equal citizen of Israel without being discriminated against for being Palestinian and not Jewish”.
Similarly, one can be a feminist and be highly critical of the entire patriarchal system (not just wanting to participate in it on an equal-opportunity basis) and still not be an “Oh poor victim me” whiner or a “Castrate all the rapist menfolk” hate-monger.
Seren isn’t dispelling any ignorance with this typology and Buttonjockey isn’t helping matters by quoting the damn thing and declaring it ‘winner’.
You can both report to the stables to claim your winning prize.
Don’t do so on my account, I’ll take what you’ve posted at face value.
But the figure quoted bothers me. If the only men that contest custody are those that have reason to believe they will win, then their winning most of the time is exactly what one would expect.
RTFirefly said:
You got a cite for that “women are more likely to hire a killer” assertion?
catsix responded:
OK, here’s a cite for you:
excerpted from “The Myth of Male Power” by Warren Farrell, Ph.D.
Fifth, the women usually chose one of three methods by which to kill: she (1) persuaded her boyfriend to do the killing (in reverse Svengali style); (2) hired some young boys from a disadvantaged background to do it for a small amount of money; or (3) hired a professional killer, thus usually using the money her husband earned to kill her husband.
My response: sorry, but that doesn’t support your point. It says absolutely zip about whether men use contract killers more than women do. All it does is list what the cited author claims are the three primary means by which women hire contract killers when they hire them. It doesn’t even speak to how often that might be.
No, I was bringing it up to point out the irony in you calling me irrational. For all the problems you have, which you have discussed at length, you’re quick as fuck to start insulting someone else for being crazy.
So because you and a few other people think I’m nuts, it must be true? Oh fuck no, I lost the feminist popularity contest! Whatever shall I do now?
Hah.
OK, fine. If we’re going to address the problem, why not address the whole problem instead of part of it?
Someone had to be first, didn’t they? I’m not and never have been a big fan of being told what I ‘can’t’ do. I have no reason to believe that I’d quietly sit down and take ‘No’ for an answer.
I didn’t mention this before because I didn’t see ‘Guest’ under your username, but you seem to be pretty sure of how you think I’ll respond to things considering you’re so new here.
As far as your comment goes, I think killing your husband in the bedroom you share with him counts as ‘domestic violence’ whether it’s the first act or the fiftieth.
How about Kevin Juneau?
I can’t get into the Bangor Daily News site where Ruth-Ellen Cohen wrote the original article, but I found a copy of it on another site in which Kevin Juneau states:
It took him seven years to get out.
The article has apparently been reposted by several men’s rights groups.
And for saiorse, your own cite of Illinois law states: “However, overall, the percentage of cases in which mothers received custody was greater than 88% of the cases.”
Men are more likely to get custody? The only stat for that is when you’re talking about appeal of original judgment.
Feminist is not synonymous with misandrist or or even sexist.
The fact that catsix insists it is shows her irrationality on the subject. I have no idea why she has set herself up as a male apologist, but if I were male, I would decline the “help”.
It’s like saying Christians equate to Fred Phelps or James Dobson or someone.
And I must say that to drag anyone’s past troubles into such a discussion smacks of a consciously weak argument, bolstered by blowhard bullying.
Catsix -your inability to comprehend degrees of opinion and adherence has made you lose all credibility in my eyes on this subject.
Are you telling me that female CFOs make as much as male CFOs? (to use one example). How about nurses? How about doctors? Personal trainers? Insert name of occupation here. You prove to me that women in all job categories make as much as all men for the same amount of hours worked. It’s not true. You prove to me that all women in entry level positions have as good a chance as all men in getting the major promotion, the head office, the CEO slot. The disparity in income cannot be put down to experience, resume, personal skills, connections, race-whathaveyou. It is too pervasive.
Because you think it’s so–we must have a proportionally correct percentage of women heading up Fortune 500 companies–oh, wait, not even close. We must have at least 25 Senators and oh, 200+ Congresscritters, no? Not even close. We must have 5 Supreme Court Justices who are female, right? Oops-we seem to be going backwards on that one…must be those man hating bitches, fucking up life for the rest of us. :rolleyes:
I would like to see a time when it is truly the abilities of the person that decide their rise–but that is a pipe dream in this world. I doubt the feminists thought that would come to pass–but they wanted a level playing field. And we have one, somewhat.
And what the hell is the Superbowl myth? never heard of it.
No, actually, I’m NOT saying you’re crazy, catsix. I’m saying on this topic, you have no sense of perspective, and refuse to see reason. One can be unreasonable and not be crazy.
eleanorigby, the Super Bowl myth was started by some radical like Dworkin who claimed that domestic violence against women reaches an all time high during the airing of the Super Bowl. Supposedly it was about how men and sports are somehow responsible for all the violence in the world. It was found to be completely false.
OK, how about this:
I know that it’s an opinion piece, but he’s quoting the study by Warren Farrell. This quote didn’t appear on the other excerpt from the same study.
And women are twice as likely to be tried for contract-killings of their spouses in large urban counties than men
So, if not Warren Farrell, Ph.D., how about the USDOJ Bureau of Statistics?
You asserted that they do not when you quoted the 73 cents on the dollar line. It is up to you to prove that your claim is true. I will wait.
You made the assertion that they are paid less than men, for equal work in equivalent positions, and now you’re asking me to prove the opposite?
What’s wrong with you proving the claims you made?
I want proof of the claim you made:
You asserted it. You prove it.
No, what I said was that the reason that more men are CEOs may well be that more men are qualified for and have the required years of experience and climbing the ladder than women, rather than automatically attributing it to sexism.
As for elected office, do women choose to be 50% of the candidates?
And I’d like to see you prove your assertion that women make $.73 for every $1 that men make–for the same work. Is that a pipe dream or are you going to put up some proof?
It was at a conference on Thursday, January 28, 1993:
So no, it wasn’t ‘some radical like Dworkin’ at all. It was Sheila Kuehl and Lenore Walker who started it.
Huh? I just read what you’ve posted to the thread. If you want, I can quote the posts you’ve made that gave me that impression.
My only point was that there were a lot of factors that could have contributed to her killing her husband. No one knows and neither do you. If the zoloft made her irrational, then how can you say that it was domestic violence? It was an aberration and one that pfizer paid a settlement for. Why won’t you consider that? She could have just as easily killed any person in close proximity to her at that moment. That it was her husband could be nothing more than coincidence. We don’t know.
Again, it’s a poor example of the trivializing of domestic violence against men. Feel free to post others if you want.
Already did, Crimea River.
Scroll up.
Sorry, babe, but I’m going to have to side with catsix on this one. Did you see my previous post on this, with the link to Cecil’s column?
Catsix, when you keep going on about how feminists want to kill all us men and attack our penises, you make if difficult for us to take anything you say seriously.