To those who wish to expatriate to Canada, I pit you, cowards.

The BBQ Pit
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Are you people kidding me??? Kerry didn’t win the election so you want to pack up and haul your sniveling asses to Canada? My god. Go ahead, this Country does not need you, we don’t want you. Let me know when you plan this mass exodus so I can be there to make sure you do, in fact, leave.

Oh, and to you Canadian dopers, this is no affront to your fine nation.

My anger lies with people that throw up their hands and run away because things get a little dicey. I have to say to you folks, as I assume you wanna-be expatriates hold one of your reasons for leaving as a disagreement with the decision to go to war, if you really gave a shit about the men and women who’ve lost their lives, you wouldn’t be taking a dump on the sacrifices they are making while you cruise around in your Volvos, talking on your cell phones, sipping Starbucks coffee and proselytizing about how superior you are to everyone else. Our country has always been one full of struggles as we’ve grown. We’ve had wars, fighting for our freedoms ,our independence and our way of life. We’ve had a war that divided our nation and claimed half a million American lives as we struggled for unification (I’m referring to the Civil War in case you were wondering) We’ve fought in two world wars, we’ve seen our economy crash and our hopes hanging on by a fingernail. There has never been a perfect period in our history, there is no time we can call “the good old days” They all are good old days in some way. We’ve never had a saint for a president and crime and poverty have always been and always will be the way of the world.
Unlike in some countries, we have the freedom to disagree, we have the freedom to do it publicly, and yes, we even have the freedom to leave. Which is why we shouldn’t want to.
And now, we’ve had all our nation stands on, the good and the bad, threatened by terrorists, we have a president that has led us to war. We had a little belch in the economy. (Don’t give me your gloom and doom shit about joblessness and the economy being in the tank. I’ll direct you to my grandparents who lived through both world wars and the depression and the 70’s and they will tell you what being fucked is really like.)
I’m so sick of your whining, your childish bitching and moaning about how “life is just so awful here… Waaaaaaaaaah!” Jesus christ you folks make me sick.
So what are you going to do? If things settle down, in whatever your diminutive minds, constitutes “settling down” do you plan to return to the states? I hope the fuck not. This country, for all the good things that it is and all the things that need changed, does not need cowards like you. Good riddance, and to you all, a hearty and robust FUCK YOU!.

I would like to extend my apologies to our neighbors up north for inheriting these pieces of shit.

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Naw, we’re going because of (1) Health insurance, (2) gay marriage, and (3) legalized pot, eh?

However, we reserve the right to change our minds depending on how many Baldwin brothers get there first.

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We should start a fund riser for the ones that want to leave…get them the hell out of here. :cool: I heard this last time but it seems that they never left. Why?

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I too would like to have better health insurance. I would like to be able to marry my partner, and I would like to smoke pot, what little I actually do any more, without fear of The Man. However, I will stay and fight for those freedoms here rather than take the easy route.

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Maybe they’re the same MTV Rock-the-Vote slackers who registered to vote but stayed home.

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Well, according to all the news coverage here (and theres been a tonne) the all appear to be educated, middle class folks that are tired of living in a country reviled by the rest of the world (their words, not mine!)

Anyhow - the usual 20,000 hits a day from Americans that the Canada Immigration site gets jumped to something like 150,000.

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Christ, where to start with this pile of shit.

Yes.

There isn’t going to be a mass exodus, it’s called being tongue in cheek, look it up.

This could get more then “a little dicey”

Bwahaha, those people are plotting the revolution on the go!

Btw I don’t own a car, although I do indulge in a hot cup of Threebucks once in awhile.

I’m humming “god bless america” right now. It goes well with the paragraph above.

Plenty of other places have the same or better quality of life. This country seems headed in a direction some of us aren’t comfortable with. Take faith for example. I’m not religious at all, and think people should be free to worship any invisible person they want to, just keep it to yourself. We’re concerned things may change, is that such a mind boggling concept? Are we insane for thinking that?

Did it ever occur to you why we, instead of say, Canada was attacked?

Way to unite bro. With attitudes like this, we’ll be back together singing kumbaya in no time. :rolleyes:

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Oops - jumped to 150,000 within 2 hours of Kerry conceding defeat to Bush…

FWIW, I’m not a Bush fan, but he seems to have been conducting himself quite well since the win - I saw the press conference where on of the reporters announced that Arifat was dead (I don’t know if this is actually true), and I thought Bush handled himself quite well, which in my exerience, is unusual for him.

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TCGM: while you cruise around in your Volvos, talking on your cell phones, sipping Starbucks coffee and proselytizing about how superior you are to everyone else.

Wow, that is almost a word-perfect presentation of the “liberal elite” stereotype in the culture war! Those memes really travel, don’t they? (Never mind that plenty of non-elites and non-liberals drink Starbucks coffee and talk on cell phones and drive Volvos too; you’re not supposed to think about these images rationally.)

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That’s hysterical.

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Okay, let’s recap.

Perhaps people are only upset that Kerry lost because Bush won. I know I personally would’ve put Homer Simpson in office before George W. Bush.

A little dicey, huh? Let’s see: the entire planet hates us, the economy’s in the shitter, The USA Patriot Act destroys freedoms in the name of liberty, EPA regulations have been butchered, gasoline prices are at an all-time high, WMD have yet to be found, Iraqi insurgents, Abu Ghraib, Texas National GuardDUIMissionAccomplishedFlightSuitGeorgeTenetPaulO’NeillTomRidgeOver1,100AmericansDeadHalliburton…oh, and Kenneth Lay is still a free man. Shall I go on?

Wow, you’ve written your entire post on an assumption? Says a lot about you. As for “taking a dump on the sacrifices they are making,” why don’t you ask Mr. Bush why he keeps throwing away more American lives and spending billions of dollars just to avoid admitting his administration was wrong? I think you’re angry at the wrong people. And by the way, I don’t drive a Volvo, I don’t own a cell phone, and I drink tea. Your penchant for overgeneralizations equals your gift for run-on sentences.

Please, please tell me how World War I, World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam, or the Gulf War had anything to do with our freedoms, our independence, or our way of life. Were these wars on our soil? Were our traditions, goverment, Constitution, or food supplies ever threatened by the enemy? Were you unable to drive to work because a German Panzer tank was parked in your driveway, its gun aimed straight at your house? Sure, cite Pearl Harbor or 9/11. These attacks were awful, but they hardly toppled our nation. We are the self-proclaimed police of the world. We don’t wage wars to protect our interests, we wage war to further our interests. Any threat to us was provoked by us.

I smell another one coming soon, by the looks of things. Have you properly oiled your bayonet?

This sentence seems self-contradictory and doesn’t make much sense. However, if I am right by what I think you meant, take a good long gander at the Clinton years. A period where the only news the media had to report was about Monica Lewinsky. The stock market was at an all-time high, gas was about a buck a gallon, we had a 50/50 divide in the Senate, and we finally had a balanced budget and an actual budget surplus. Man, those days sucked, didn’t they? :dubious:

That is a nihilistic outlook on life, if I ever saw one. Life expectancies of 35 and infant mortality rates of 50% used to always be, too… perhaps medical science wasn’t such a good idea after all, huh?

…On false pretenses, manufactured evidence, and flat-out lies. You mentioned people shitting on the sacrifice of servicemen and women? Get ready for a real stinker, because all of those people didn’t have to die in the first place. Reagan, who Bush likes to compare himself to, avoided war at all costs. Dubya, however, could barely contain his glee when he talked about war in Afghanistan and Iraq. “Can we go to war yet? Can we go to war yet? Huh? Huh? Pleeeeeze?”

It’s not really about joblessness, but more about the class divide. The rich are getting richer, and the poor and middle-class are getting much poorer. Nowadays, you either live paycheck-to-paycheck and manage to eke out a living, or you’re sipping a glass of 1946 Rothschild on your third yacht. It’s getting to the point that almost no one lives “comfortably” anymore. Now that I think about it, that sounds a lot like the Iraqi class system before Dubya donned his holster and spurs.

One thing I will agree with you on is that the Democratic Party has reduced itself to nipping at the heels of the GOP and whining that they’re screwing everything up, as opposed to putting strong, in-touch, no-nonsense people in positions of power. I also agree that if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. However, I think most people with common sense who wish to emigrate don’t think “life is so awful here.” They think “life is better elsewhere.”

So does Canada. :cool:

Some people are tired of being loathed by the rest of the world.

Seeing as you need either a Bachelor’s degree or proof that you have a desired skill, it would seem that our neighbors up north are getting the better end of the deal. :slight_smile:

If you like the country the way it is, that’s great. More power to you. But some people think they’ll find a better life elsewhere. If you are so happy about us “losers” wanting to go, then why write such a long-winded post berating us? I’m very interested in your reply.

Adam

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Hmmm. Let me see if I can explain why my husband and I have discussed immigrating to Canada.

First of all, we’ve been there and loved it. The places we visited were places in which we felt welcomed and very much at home.

Secondly, we are starting to question whether we fit anymore in our current home. Our political views are consistently out-of-step with the majority of the community, as are our religious views. As an example, I was uncomfortable with the local 5th grade teacher proselytizing to his students, especially when he decided on his own to teach creationism to his science classes. I don’t really care what he believes, but if our kids are expected to pass competency exams that include information about evolution, I expect that the teacher would teach it. However, my husband and I were the only parents who seemed to feel that way.

There have been other incidents, other things that make us feel as if perhaps we are out of step with not only our town, but our country. Given that we know we aren’t going to change anyone else, maybe it would be more appropriate to find another place where our views are more commonly acceptable.

I’ve lived in this area all my life, as has my husband. The area itself has become more consciously religious since the time we grew up. What I mean by that is that people are far more vocal now than they were 30 and 40 years ago, more in-your-face about what they believe, and more inclined to condemn those who do not make the same display of beliefs.

We aren’t, temperamentally, city dwellers. We like small towns and quiet living. So moving to a city isn’t what we want to do.

When our immigrant ancestors felt they could have a better life by coming to the U.S., they did so. It’s not an insult to their sacrifices nor to the blood they subsequently spilled in various wars for us to do the same. Nor is it an insult to the United States or its people; it’s perfectly possible to love a place and want what’s best for it and yet to decide that it’s better personally for one to leave it.

The pull of family is what keeps us here, and will probably continue to do so. But if we should ultimately decide to go, it wouldn’t be a ‘screw you, America’ comment by any stretch of the imagination.

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Now this… this is just an out and out lie.

Non-liberals drink Starbucks, talk on their cell phones in spades… but they all drive SUV’s. Trust me on this one.

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My old friend World Eater and Agent Foxtrot has answered the moronic OP better than I could right now. Hats off to you guys.

Sam

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Thanks.

My life force is starting to dwindle battling all this ignorance. You may have to pick up the slack while I recharge. :stuck_out_tongue:

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But if you are considering moving to Canada…

http://www.marryanamerican.ca/

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We’ll just pinch hit for each other over the next month or so. BTW, your shitf is Saturday days, and I’ll take nights and we’ll switch off on Sunday, got it?

:stuck_out_tongue:

Sam

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I want to leave America because I’m atheist. I’m pro-choice. I’m feminist. I’m not anti-gay. I want good healthcare. I don’t like war, and I don’t like my country to be hated by people whose opinions I care about (UK, Europe, everyone really).

You cannot deny that the nation has been swaying wildly toward becoming more religious, more anti-abortion, less feminist (heard any feminists reviled lately? I’ve been), anti-gay, and the healthcare isn’t getting better.

Right now I know a huge proportion of the populace hates what I believe strongly in. They hate who I am. I never talk about what I believe in anymore because I get jumped on by all sides. Just the fact that I’m an atheist has cost me more friends than I can talk about here.

I want to live somewhere people don’t hate me. I want the freedom to say what I think without reprisal.
And I don’t want to feel ashamed to be who I am.

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Already married to an American. :smack:

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Sounds good. You’ll have to cover tomorrow though, I’m going away for the weekend. I’ll take over next week.