To those who wish to expatriate to Canada, I pit you, cowards.

The Chao Goes Mu: Thanks for the follow up. I’m too lazy right now to go back and read what I posted, but if I lashed out at you (which I think I recall doing) then I’d like to apologize.

I’ve spent many years working for the solution, doing what I can, etc. But it seems these last four years the US has been taking steps back and been quite happy about doing so. That’s not how I want to raise my child so it’s time for me to cut my losses and move on.

Good luck to you and we’ll keep a light on up there if your time comes as well. :wink:

You weren’t too scathing Seven but thanks for the apology, nonetheless. I hope all goes well for you up North. Where were you planning on moving? I hear British Columbia is beautiful.
For now, I plan to stay here, but hey, the future is always in motion. I’ve still got letters to fire off and petitions to sign. Sigh. Hopefully, some day soon we can catch up with the rest of the free world when it comes to social issues, eh? I just sent a petition to the president opposing his choice of Dr. W. David Hager for the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. Check this guy out. He’s pretty damn Draconian if you ask me.
Cheers,
The Chao

The irony is that there are many Canadians living in the states. Those that chose dual citizenship (thus allowing them to vote) tend to be conservatives. Which is why they relocated south to begin with.

As for moving to Canada, those that are just starting the process have a good chance of still being in states by the next election. The paperwork and bureaucracy of just moving up north is time consuming.

Also, as was already mentioned, it gives one the best of both worlds. The expatriate lives in a country they enjoy and they can still vote absentee in the US elections. The negative to dual-cit is, if you make over a certain amount in your income you will have to pay taxes to both countries.

One last thing, marrying a Canadian does not automatically make you a citizen of Canada. In fact, there could be issues that even after you are married you won’t be allowed in the country anyway.

But for those still interested, here’s some links:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html
http://www.americanlaw.com/cdndata.html
http://gocanada.about.com/cs/weddingvenues/l/aa082601a.htm
http://forums.about.com/ab-canadaonline/messages/?msg=2551.1
http://forums.about.com/ab-canadaonline/messages/?msg=2551.1

Knowledge of hockey is a pre-requisite and so is this:
http://www.tsn.ca/curling/

Hope all this helps ya, eh?

Mr Biggles,

I thought the United States didn’t recognize dual citizenship? My understanding was that you could move to Canada on a work visa and still cast votes in the US but if you become a full fledged Canadian, the US will not recognize your US status unless you came back. I’m so confused. :confused:

Also, my understanging is that when you decide to move, you have to either be accepted on a work visa and sometimes this can take a year unless you work for a company that can transfer you to a Canadian branch. If you aren’t working, Canada does not want you on the dole, so you can’t become a citizen without being gainfully employed. You can be sponsored by a Canadian, however, until you can support yourself.
My knowledge on the subject is shakey at best. Others will have more accurate information.

You also have to accept the fact that a single point can be scored in football that doesn’t come from the PAT.

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/

I saved this from a dual cit site:

Interesting to know, someone not born in the states can run for office:

I don’t profess to be an expert, but to my knowledge, unless you have a job waiting for you, the idea of just crossing up north to live takes time for paperwork. Permanent Resident status is the label for at least three years before you can file for citizenship, dual or otherwise. However, I believe, you can remain a permanent resident without ever becoming a citizen. I don’t know if that leaves out the benefits of the health care system among other things. Which really sucks because you still will be paying taxes. You are allowed to live up there, I believe a total of 180 days, but to go back I forget the time that must pass between. That 180 day rule, I also believe, is the same for Canadians in the US.

The links I posted on the About sites, really have more info than I can tell. Probably more accurate too.

My mom became a Canadian citizen (after spending a good 20 years as a landed immigrant) and she was still able to vote in this election.

There are many people with dual Canadian/American citizenship. The Canadian government is fine with it, and the US government doesn’t comment on it at all…

And I’d like a cite showing that Canadians in the US tend to be conservative. I think many of us moved here for many different reasons - not necessarily because we’re conservative…

No can do the cite thing on that. Only can say it as a life experience. Come across some and their politics tend towards conservatives. Is it a scientific poll? Well, no.

Ok. I’m still not sure I understand. But an answer to this question may help clarify it for me.
My GF’s father is Canadian, her mother is American. My GF was born here in the States and her brother was born in Canada. My GF is under the impression her brother could never run for President because he was born in Canada. (He only lived there briefly as an infant, he resides in the US now) Is this correct?
For some reason I would believe because his mom was a US citizen that not only does he have dual citizenship but that he could still run for office.
Also, their dad is now applying for US citizenship, what does that do to my GF and her brother’s dual citizenship? Jesus this stuff is complex.

These are all good things to know for those planning to move I would imagine.

Okay, I’ll continue the post from the site I gave you:

Assuming there are still some relatives up there in the great white north, moving up there can be easier and sooner, as they can sponsor future citizens. This may still be true if the father maintains his dual citizenship status.

Odd how as the author of this thread it’s taken a quite a different turn.

Nothing odd about it, I’m human afterall. Scroll up for the follow-up to the OP.

I heard this last night:

"Stay Home, You Pathetic Whining Maggots by Ian Robinson.

(I make no comment on the content - Only the fact this thread came to mind)

I’m not gay myself, but I have heard that Toronto (my home town) is just as gay-friendly as Montreal - something that was not true 20 years ago. I believe it. :slight_smile:

I’m an American who lived in Canada for five years. Then we moved back to the States.

Believe me, Canada is not Utopia. Just like all countries, Canada has problems. They just may be different from the kind of problems you experience in the US.

Ed

I can understand the reasons that were given in this thread to not move to Canada. What I don’t understand are the people who would really like to move to Canada except for the weather.

“Let’s see: on one hand, they’ve got constitutionally guaranteed equal rights, same-sex marriage in over half the provinces, medicare, cheap university, very few strange fundamentalists in government… I like all that stuff… but it might get chilly!” Christ, put on a sweater, okay?

Besides, if they move to Toronto and it snows, they can just call the army to help them clear it. :rolleyes:

Why yes, I am a former Torontonian who was living there at the time of the Big Dump. Yes, I thought calling in the army was silly.