I’m on your list.
Cite.
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I read the OP’s just to make sure I wasn’t on it.
Phew.
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Who let the goblin in? 
puppygod: I love Glorfindel, he died slaying a Balrog, spent however long at the halls, returned to Middle Earth, possibly with Olórin and led the Noldorians from Rivendell to help destroy the evil Kingdom of Angmar. A story cycle could be written about him alone. He was able to scare the dark riders into the river at the Fords. He appears to be of one of the Noble Houses and is old enough to have walked among the shining of the trees.
He appeared to be Elrond’s choice to escort Frodo, but Gandalf held out for Merry & Pippin.
Jim
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
I will go out on a sturdy limb and say that a large part of both his genius and his shortcomings was that he was a perfectionist. He would labor long and hard over every passage. He would write, rewrite, revised, revert, rewrite again, strike that and replace and then verify for consistency that cause rewrites of other completed pieces.
This prevented Tolkien from producing the amount of material that most of us in this thread wish he did and at the same time provided the great depth and detail that we love…
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Well said; I wholeheartedly agree. If I had a time machine, I’d go back and anonymously send Tolkien checks so that he’d always have enough money to pay his bills. That way he could focus on his Middle-earth writings, and wouldn’t have to teach, prepare British Army officer candidates for their exams, or grade student papers. He spent a lot of time doing that just to make ends meet.
BMalion, that is one awesome costume!
Incidentally, a moot is what a Scouting gathering in Britain and Canada is called.
[QUOTE=Elendil’s Heir]
Well said; I wholeheartedly agree.
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Incidentally, a moot is what a Scouting gathering in Britain and Canada is called.
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Thank you.
It is basically an Old English word which is what would add great appeal to Tolkien’s usage. I am glad he used moot and not the Norse ‘Thing’ or ‘Ting’. Entmoot has a nice feel, Entthing not so much.
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
Thank you.
It is basically an Old English word which is what would add great appeal to Tolkien’s usage. I am glad he used moot and not the Norse ‘Thing’ or ‘Ting’. Entmoot has a nice feel, Entthing not so much.
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o/ Ent! Thing! You make my heartwood sing! o/
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Ditto. Of all of the men in the books, he was the most human.
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[Shatner]
Of all the souls . . . I have encountered . . . hiswasthemost . . . human.
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When I read the thread title I thought this was about a real-life Doper Entmoot, and was annoyed by the fact that I am across the pond and couldn’t participate. But it’s a virtual Entmoot, much better, count me in! Although I never post in the Tolkien threads, as usually somebody more competent will have come along and answered the question before I even look at the thread. That, and I, too, have trouble remembering names and places (hello, eleanorigby, fellow Georgette Heyer aficionado).
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(completely Un-Entish aside… Did you ever notice that the disagreeable tutor in The Foundling is named Snape? I found that fascinating–I wonder if Rowling read Heyer and from there? Although Snape could have other sources… I might start a Heyer appreciation thread this weekend, so as not to hijack this one).
If I may be so bold as to posit a question in this moot: what character or event would you change in LOTR, if any? And if you would change one, what would the change be? (keep the posts short, please!)
[QUOTE=Zakalwe]
Ditto. Of all of the men in the books, he was the most human.
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ROFL!!! 
Gotta love a cross-pollination of a thread…
[QUOTE=Elendil’s Heir]
Incidentally, a moot is what a Scouting gathering in Britain and Canada is called.
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Is it? It must have changed since I was a kid. It used to be called “a jamboree”.
[osgiliation] I’m up for a HeyerM00t. I have my muslin all packed, my parasol, my chemise, etc. [/osgiliation]
[QUOTE=eleanorigby]
Although Snape could have other sources…
If I may be so bold as to posit a question in this moot: what character or event would you change in LOTR, if any? And if you would change one, what would the change be? (keep the posts short, please!)
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On Snape, I thought I read that it sounded like snake and fit with the whole Slitherin bit. But then Tolkien probably accidentally lifted “Hobbit” from some faery tales he read as a child.
As to a change in the Lord of the Rings … I would not change the books, in my opinion these are the best books ever written. My only change would be far more appendixes.
Jim
One thing that always bugged me: remember when Gandalf found out that Gollum had led Frodo and Sam to Cirith Ungol? “Why that way, I wonder?” I believe he said. OK. If Gandalf had been in charge, how would he have taken Frodo into Mordor? (Not really a change, but a question that maybe could have been answered.)
There was one other thing, but right now I can’t remember it. :smack: A senior’s moment, I guess.
[QUOTE=eleanorigby]
(completely Un-Entish aside… Did you ever notice that the disagreeable tutor in The Foundling is named Snape? I found that fascinating–I wonder if Rowling read Heyer and from there? Although Snape could have other sources… I might start a Heyer appreciation thread this weekend, so as not to hijack this one).
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(completely Un-Entish answer… Snape, huh, I never noticed! I must not have read The Foundling since I’ve read Potter! I wouldn’t put it past Rowling to have read the book and written down the name for further use, since it did sound like “snake”. And: A Heyer appreciation thread! I’ll so be there.)
As to what I would change? I have to agree with What Exit? that I wouldn’t change anything. Even if there were some things I lack complete appreciation of (let’s call it that), e.g. Elvish poetry and Tom Bombadil (sorry, guys), they do shape the feeling of the books and I wouldn’t want to miss them.
Oh, dear, I feel left out -= add me to the list!
Fav characters (books, movies, same-same)- Galadriel (there I was, the only one crying at the much-despised WitchQueen Freakout Scene in the movies because I knew what the hell the backstory to Miss Shining Glory actually was) and Eowyn.
Also Ghan-Buri-Ghan - yeah, everyone bitches about no Tom this, no scouring that. Where’s the love for the Aboriginals, I gotta ask.
I don’t mean radical change; I mean different dialogue or increase the knowledge of a character --that sort of thing. I’d like a bit closer look at the Men who inhabit the shores of Long Lake (?), and some backstory on Thorin et al. We get some, but it’s impersonal.
Or why separate out the Appendices from the books entirely? Why not a passage about the echoing of whatshername and Berien(?) when Aragorn and Arwen’s love is related? Oh, he mentions it. I believe there’s even a footnote referring the reader to the appendix, but…
My favorite book of all time is Pride and Prejudice. I consider it near perfect in all respects. But even there, I would like more info here and more backstory there…
[QUOTE=Elendil’s Heir]
…BMalion, that is one awesome costume!
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Thank you.
You’re too kind.
[QUOTE=eleanorigby]
Or why separate out the Appendices from the books entirely? Why not a passage about the echoing of whatshername and Berien(?) when Aragorn and Arwen’s love is related? Oh, he mentions it. I believe there’s even a footnote referring the reader to the appendix, but..
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Heh, it sounds like you would enjoy Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell where the appendices are included in the text. They take up half the page and are basically a novel all by themselves. In LOTR, I actually liked having separate Appendices, it seemed to make the story more … well, sort of life-like, having to look up the historical information somewhere else.
ETA: Oh, and BMalion, what he said 
[QUOTE=Einmon]
…ETA: Oh, and BMalion, what he said
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Thanks again.
The most fun was the mace (can’t see it too well in the photo because it’s blurred). My nephew and I built some elvish snowmen and then proceeded to SMASH them with it!
Good times.
and I guess I should point out that I’ve read the books about once a year since 6th grade.
My brother-in-law speaks elvish.
I’ve corrosponded with Ralph Bakshi!
[QUOTE=BMalion]
Thanks again.
The most fun was the mace (can’t see it too well in the photo because it’s blurred). My nephew and I built some elvish snowmen and then proceeded to SMASH them with it!
Good times.
and I guess I should point out that I’ve read the books about once a year since 6th grade.
My brother-in-law speaks elvish.
I’ve corrosponded with Ralph Bakshi!
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Very cool costume, but as far as your Tolkien cred, many would consider correspondence with Bakshi to be a negative.
What would I change? Make it longer!! Not nearly enough Radagast as it stands.
Seriously, a great artist knows when to stop, knows when to leave an audience wanting more, when to just hint at what may be behind that window. And Tolkien told us just enough about his world to keep us endlessly speculating. Where are those entwives? We’ll never know for certain. But we’ll always enjoy the wondering.
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
Very cool costume, but as far as your Tolkien cred, many would consider correspondence with Bakshi to be a negative.
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True enough, but I long ago reconciled to the fact that I liked his movie. I was in junior high, my friends and I saw it several times and were quite entertained. Yeah it took a lot of liberties with the source material but most movies do. I liked it and them that don’t who think less of me for that, well, they can have a little face-time with my mace. 