Editing out the part about “In the larger sense” because that isn’t the purpose of this forum, I would guess the moderators.
Exactly. And if we choose tolerance then that’s our choice.
Who cares if the guy actually disappears? He’s a name on a message board, not a part of your real life. Just don’t read his posts and poof, you’re done.
In what way are you injured by statements about race with which you disagree, as opposed to statements about capitalism or abortion with which you disagree?
Regards,
Shodan
I hope all mods adopt this view.
I don’t care about the larger sense. I care about this board, where it’s clearly the mods. With input from the membership, one hopes.
- Typically DT’s remarks involved vitriol directed at groups, not individual posters. DT would impute bad motives though.
- And DT didn’t advocate violence against any group or person AFAIK.
DT stuck around so long because he abided by board rules and moderator directions. He only started racking up warnings when the civility bar was raised. He was always a problem poster, but tomndebb figured early on that his nonsense could be passed over, analogous to his posture to Construct. It was only after it became clear he was persuading a few (for unfathomable reasons, at least for me) that people started to gun for his banning. Also, his schtick had gone on for years. I see that Construct boarded this ship on 08-02-2014.
There are very bright lines between DT’s behaviors and this.
No, I disagree. The combatting it was already done, in Selma, at Nuremberg and a million other places inbetween What should remain is a mopping up operation.
There are already plenty of spaces (hardly dark corners - the Reddit of Coontown was the ‘front page of the Internet’ FFS, and Stormfron isn’t exactly on the dark Web) where its happily thriving, my desire is that this board not be subsumed by them.
So we ban speech that upsets you. Then the mods would have to ban others with controversial opinions that upset others. We wouldn’t be left with much of a board. As has been mentioned above you can block anyone who you find offensive. As long as there are no personal attacks or insults a poster shouldn’t be banned for holding odious opinions.
I am on record, having posted the point on more than one occasion, that I do not Moderate “hate speech.”
I find the various definitions vague, to begin with, and often shifting, (depending on whose ox is being gored). While I believe there might be something such as “hate speech,” (I suspect that spray painting a Hakenkreuz on the house of a Holocaust survivor would inflict more suffering than spray painting “fuck you”), I have never found the various examples presented or several laws (outside the U.S.) enacted to be sufficiently consistent to determine which statements are hate speech and which are not.
Since all examples that are presented as “hate speech” are definitely examples of stupidity,and since the motto of the board is “Fighting ignorance,” I prefer to point out the stupidity rather than silence it with a censor’s hammer. Silencing it always runs the risk of giving others the impression that it was truth being suppressed. Pointing out the errors embedded in it deprives the author of a martyr schtick while educating those who were unaware of the idiocy or lies of the claim.
Good points. But he wasn’t banned. He took his toys and went home.
The distinction you’re trying to draw is artificial.
Why should I be the one who has to get in the back of the bus?
:rolleyes: It upsets my fragile aura, man. Really harshes my mellow.
You’re implying the mods haven’t a lick of common sense. I think better of them.
And as I mentioned, this is just playing ‘La, La, I can’t hear you!’
I’ll just see if posting ‘Jews are greedy thieves anyway’ in threads about Israel gets me not-banned, shall I?
Telling you that you’ll be happier if you ignore board nitwits isn’t telling you to get to the back of the bus. It’s telling you not to take the board so seriously. The board is a place we – or at least I – come to read interesting stuff, to learn a little, and to play. But it’s not real life. My wife and our babies, my sisters and brother and dad, my meatspace friends – they’re real. People like Construct can only affect you if you let them, because they’re not part of your real life.
I wouldn’t ban you. But I wouldn’t respect you either. If it had been Jews or any other group who perpetrated 9/11 then the hatred would be directed against them. Context is important.
You play Dope your way, I’ll play it mine.
It’s mostly where I come to relax. Which is hard to do if my blood keeps boiling.
Of course it is.
I disagree - It’s a mistake to think of people like that as just pixels on a screen, because they’re real people with a real impact somewhere. Shunning and shaming racists has worked wonderfully in meatspace - we’re generally a more tolerant and kinder society nowadays. And that wasn’t just left to the good graces of people, it took real legislative action. The same methodology should be used online. Giving them room to vent is a mistake, and ignoring an infestation is just an invitation to let the blight spread (look at the sudden influx of racist newbies, or the antifeminist MRA newbies attracted by the tolerance there)
And what horror did ‘Non-Jewish, non-Europeans,’ as a ‘group’, perpetrate (as that’s who I was analogizing to Jews.
From the rules for posting on this MB:
Hate speech directed against any race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, or gender is a violation of our rules in any forum
Hate speech, insults, and purposely inflammatory remarks (i.e., trolling) will not be tolerated
Shouldn’t you resign as a moderator if you refuse to moderate all the rules??? Or, I guess hate speech WILL be tolerated, and we should change the rules to reflect that.
I’m not supporting that speech in any way but I can understand why there is anger directed against Islam. AFAIK his objectionable posts have call come from this??
Seriously, dude, must you be on all the time? Must you fight the good fight at every moment of every day?
You’re going to rid humanity of its dark underbelly on the 32nd of never, Dibble. Beat down one manifestation, three others will grow in its place.
There are times to strap on your six-shooter and head to the town square for a gunfight with the bad guys. There are also times to point & laugh at the bad guys, make a pineapple upside down cake, and watch DS9 reruns, because damn Jadzia Dax was hot.