I agree with you on all points (except that Truman was the “buck stops here” guy - let them get their own motto to describe their level of responsibility! 
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Sorry about all the typos - it’s early and I am still on my first cup of coffee. I think my personal philosophies are a bit liberal and a bit conservative. I like fiscal responsibility. I like balanced budgets. I believe in a strong military, with clear and concise missions and orders, led by honest and competent people. On the other hand, I am also part liberal. I don’t believe it’s government’s place to legislate “moral or family value” or religious “values”. I do believe in the “give a hand up” when it’s needed, and I do believe the richest country on earth should help the poor and the unfortunate. With the money we all squander on bill riders and pork barrles, I figure most of that can be better used for a social safety net, instead of bridges to nowhere. I believe in fighting to defend your country, but not fighting for some fairy tale neo “philosophy”, or for oil companies.
I’m not conservative or liberal I guess. I find both philosophies too restrictive and too limiting. Both labels have become meaningless.
Perhaps I’m inappropriately co-opting traits or misusing labels, but I have no problem calling myself liberal and simultaneously believing very much in all of those things that you described. I think that somehow, it has become commonly accepted that liberals like fiscal irresponsibility, a weak military, and a host of other negative things. Does it really make sense that they would? That anybody would? Liberals however have unfortunately become led by a bunch of shrinking violets who allow these perceptions to persist, and whose political lack of will doesn’t help to convey the idea that they might be strong on anything. Hell, they are by and large afraid to call themselves liberal, apparently largely because a guy who proved to be a horrible father called them “liberals” with a mean tone of voice, and “card carrying members of the ACLU.”
Accuracy and context. He didn’t say chumming. He said Chum. Chum was a play on the “friend, Scylla” thing. Friend/chum, get it? Chum had a double meaning in that it also referred to you idiots who circle around at the sign of blood in the water. It was not an accusation of trolling until Elvis made one. Ike, that partisan incompetant bag of drive-by dirt chose to ignore it. That’s the story. You knew that, but nice try trying to twist reality to suit your needs.
Coupe or convertible? premium or deluxe? manual or automatic? How do you like it?
Scylla, in another pit thread, at 8:18:
Scylla, in this thread, seven minutes later:
Scylla, meet Scylla. Scylla would like to say a few words on the value of civility in debate and how insults make you look small and stupid, and how they disincline the listener to take you or your points seriously. I’m sure you and Scylla have lots to talk about.
Oh, how silly of me. In response to “Wow, two pages. How the hell did that happen?”, UncleBeer was saying " Scylla ‘friended’ the lefties." Yes of course, how could I miss that. It makes perfect sense. Lefties were riled up and posting rapid responses because you friended us. It has no relationship to the concept of trolling.
You’re so smart.
Coupe, premium, automatic - I like it pretty well, thanks. I’ve always preferred Camaros to Mustangs, though, so when I heard talk of Chevy putting out a retro styled Camaro in a few years, I wondered if I should have waited. My son loves Mustangs, though, so that was a motivation.
“Friend, Scylla” Chum is synonymous with friend. You see? Since Unclebeer obviously wasn’t accusing me of trolling, you don’t have a leg here.
Probably you made a good choice. GM has been ruining their top names. The GTO? Yuck. That’s criminal what they did to it.
I was kind of waiting for the Challenger, but I figured it would be '09 before I could get one in a convertible. I drove by a lot a month ago and somebody had traded in an '05 GT Convertible manual black on black on black with Premium package and only 500 miles. It was at a Mercedes dealer. Apparently, the guy just didn’t like it, traded it, paid cash for a 560 SL. Got a great deal and love it.
We should be nicer to each other since we both have Mustangs.
I get that chum is a synonym of friend. That meaning just has no fit in the phrase “chumming the lefties.” Would anyone see your OP as befriending lefties in any way, so as to respond to a question about why so many posts developed in so short a time? No reasonable person would.
On the other hand, “to chum” also means to throw bloody scraps into the water solely for the purpose of attracting marine predators, possibly with the desire to create a feeding frenzy. That meaning does fit in perfectly into the phrase “chumming the lefties,” and does fit as a reply to why the thread grew so fast.
Therefore, you have no leg to stand on, your desired meaning is not at all obvious, and I would have asked the same question as Elvis? Why don’t you stop demanding the waahmbulance, or direct whatever official sanction you are desperately fomenting to the source of the matter.
I still have faith, and following in the footsteps of the Mustang was historically pretty good for the Camaro.
Agreed. The Mustang was the first (and only, so far) to get the retro thing right. How about the Charger? Sheesh.
Perhaps it’s because I remain a Camaro man at heart. Or perhaps it’s our diametrically opposed politics. On the one hand, the world does need more good will. On the other, I’m a pessimist.
Maybe they have no spine after all. Accuse them of being shrill, or helping terror, and they fold. They tone it down and back away, or they cave in completely. If you thought you were right, then dammit, stick to your guns. There are others, who wear the “liberal badge” when it is expedient for getting votes, and then wear the “conservative badge” when it suits them.
The shame of it is, so many people are either willfully ignorant (PIPA Report supports that) or have the attention span of Ten Second Tom. So the end result is, the fakes and the cowards get away with it. Repeatedly.
Well, no one has ever accused Scylla of being able to read and comprehend anything too good.
So, Scylla, ole chum, did you want me to reprimand Unclebeer for accusing you of being a troll? It would really break my heart to do so, you see, as the lad is my only heir and assign.
Maybe you’d like me to reprimand someone else? Just say the word, O Master, just point the finger.
For the second time, you misquoted. He said “Scylla chummed the lefties,” which applies to an effect rather than an intent. There in no intent implied in “chummed”
“Scylla was chumming for lefties,” would have the intent you state, but sadly, it ain’t what he said .
Unclebeer’s statement wasn’t a description of my intent but rather the effect my post had on the usual bunch of knee jerk dipshits.
You see, it’s context sensitive. “My good intentions chummed the waters to the evil knee-jerk lefties.”
Elvis, changed it to suggest I was trolling.
That meaning does fit in perfectly into the phrase “chumming the lefties,” and does fit as a reply to why the thread grew so fast.
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Which for the third time is not what he said. If you need to misquote to make your point, than you don’t have a point.
Ike:
For like the fifth time, you moron. Go ban Elvis. Ban him hard. Ban him fast. Ban him on Brokeback mountain, cowboy style. Or give him a stern talking to. Or a slap on the wrist. Get off your lazy incompetant ass and do your job the first time I tell you to.
This is absolute nonsense. Intent? Effect? You are fucking swinging wildly at this point, buddy. Chummed is simply the past tense of chum.
Huh? What happened to it being about the synonym for friend. Don’t flip flop. Be a stand-up, personally responsible guy.
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Elvis, changed it to suggest I was trolling.
Which for the third time is not what he said. If you need to misquote to make your point, than you don’t have a point.
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Chummed. Chumming. I wasn’t exactly quoting, but it makes no difference. “Befriended” the lefties makes no sense at all in this context, whereas “threw bait in the water to rile up” the lefties makes perfect sense.
Even you have now abandoned the defense of “it’s a synonym for friend” [paraphrasing here, you thick asshole]. Why don’t you try being the stand up man of character that you would like us to believe conservatives/Republicans are supposed to be.
Or you could continue to be a cunt, like some of us think most conservatives really are.
It’s hard to stop being a pessimist.
You really are the limit, aren’t you?
Scylla is no friend of mine, but he does make a valid point in this post, which he didn’t before with the “chum”/“friend” point. Personally, I didn’t take UncleBeer’s comment as an accusation that Scylla was intentionally trolling, but rather a description of the effect his OP had. Elvis, however, I think clearly accused Scylla of trolling. Scylla was merely pointing that out. Personally, I also think Scylla is being a whiny bitch about it, but that’s a whole nother story.
Scylla’s is a well-kown and prominent member of the Usual Asssholes Cub. Word has it that once you’re in that deep, remedies and reason fall by the wayside – short of forceps that is.
OTOH, I do believe that part of his comments stand on their own two legs.
If you would, pardon the liberal libations that led to such a scrambled message as the one prior to this one. Then again, I find humor and/or ridicule one of the most effective weapons in this particular clusterfuck. Tears cerntainly haven’t had much of an effect.
Regards,
~J
Its absolute nonsense alright…but not quite in the way YOU seem to mean. 
Seriously, you should just swallow your pride here and just admit it…you are wrong about this. You are sounding like a complete ass in continueing this, especially after his last post which really did make some good points (unlike a few of his earlier ones…chum=friend? :rolleyes: ).
I know you can do it big guy…just admit it.
-XT
p.s. Not that I think MY opinion on this is going to sway you.
p.p.s. What happened to the discussion about rjung?? 
rjung has left the bridge!
I disagree. I read Elvis’ post as interpreting UncleBeer’s statement. I suppose either could be viewed as an accusation of trollery just as easily as not. Maybe that’s why the mods haven’t heeded Scylla’s polite requests.
I don’t follow your logic. Are you saying that the chum/friend argument was good, or was asinine? If the latter, are you suggesting that because Scylla switched his argument, now I’m looking like a complete ass? Um, I think I’ll just take your opinion under advisement. Pigs grunt - film at 11.
Out of curiosity, what about the intent/effect argument do you find compelling? If UncleBeer had posted “Scylla trolled the lefties” meaning that his post had the “effect” of trolling even though he didn’t intend to, would you similarly call the waaambulance when Elvis asks if trolling is okay? How can you know what Scylla’s intent was, when the effect was the same as trolling?
You haven’t posted a single thing to convince anyone of your position. You just look like a simpleton coming mindlessly to the defense of a comrade.
It was kind of sidetracked by repeated bleating by Scylla that Elvis should be punished. Which you have now endorsed.
I may well be biased because I have a very low opinion of Elvis, but I think his post was more than just an interpretation, but, to be fair, you could very well be right, too. The important thing to remember, though, is that this entire discussion is worthless and idiotic, so I’m going to go get myself another beer. You want me to grab you one while I’m up?