Honestly, I hope so. I’m a Brewers fan, but my wife and her family are all Sox fans, and they’ve become my “second team” over the years. The Sox have been playing well so far, and it’d be a shame to see a promising season get undermined by clubhouse unrest.
I don’t think the players care that much about what the media and fans are talking about. They really like each other, they are playing well, they have a really promising future, and they want to win a world series this year. We didn’t know how to win last year and it was evident down the stretch and in our playoff series, such as it was. Tony has experience winning and the players will take care of playing. I’m hoping for an exciting October on the South Side, and it’s a long season, so I’m just trying to enjoy the ride.
If the unwritten rules are so important, write them down and codify them. Otherwise, nah.
And if your response to “insult” is to intentionally do something that may cause serious injury, you (general) can fuck right out of professional sports, or literally any other part of civilized society. We get real pissy and holier-than-thou about revenge and honor killings, but defend the same type of activity of sports players? Again, nah.
I’m still of the opinion that a batter intentionally beaned by a pitcher gets to take the bat on the way to the mound.
Yes; because what baseball needs is more intentional injuries and hurt players. Why bother risking one career when you can risk two? Why not have both teams just fight to determine a winner?
Intentionally throwing at a batter is bad, no one should do it. For any reason.
Players are getting hurt and injured enough from unintentional hit by pitches. Hit by pitches have been increasing, quite noticably this year. Also injuries have seemed to be up this year as well.
There’s even a new instance of a pitcher punching a bench in anger after a bad start and breaking his hand.
Boo-fucking-hoo. One party has already gone beyond the bounds of the game, yet you still want to protect them from their consequences. Don’t want to get hurt? Don’t try to hurt someone.
It’s amazing to me that this is at all tolerated and considered “part of the game.”
As for the Sox, they have a good team, and they will do well. I couldn’t care less about them, being what used to be a rare South Side Cubs fan. I would love to see them choke in the World Series just to rub it into my annoying-as-shit (in a friendly team rivalry sort of way) neighborhood White Sox friends, but I suspect they will do well. It was evident four or five years ago that they should be doing very well indeed right now, and they’re right on schedule. I actually liked LaRussa well enough until this bullshittery.
I assume somebody will be seriously hurt and then suddenly the focus will shift to safety like it did in the NFL. But it’ll take a lot. Like it did in the NFL.
Whatever. The basis of my point is still correct.
We could start a betting pool on when/if Mets fill-in Cameron Maybin gets his first hit of the season (he’s started 0 for 19).
See this is exactly what I said in the post you quoted. You want to just assert that things are different now, but you can’t just force all 32 teams to adopt your new paradigm just because you say so. Get MLB to pass a rule invalidating any unwritten rules. Get it codified. Until then you are just wishful thinking and risking the health of our players. Yes it is very wrong for teams to bean players for stuff like this, but they DO IT ANYWAY. We need to play for the world we live in, not the ideal world we wish we lived in. And this is not defending anything, it’s just stating the way things are, not the way we wished it to be.
Like I said, allow the batters to actually provide consequences to this shit. For some reason, pitchers are protected from the physical consequences of their egregious attacks in a way almost no other sports professionals are.
And “that’s the way it’s always been” is shitty in politics, business, and life. Why is baseball immune to civilization and getting over hurt feelings?
This is a very poor summary of anything I’ve said. I said you cannot force every other team in baseball to no longer get upset about just because you want it very badly. The world does not work that way. Go talk to Rob Manfred and tell him to make it official that unwritten rules no longer exist. Otherwise you are just trying to manifest your wishes on the world.
Also, let batters take a swing at pitchers when they get plunked? A lethal weapon? More injuries and suspensions? This is supposed to be a solution? Losing even more players?
I’ll say it again.
We’re literally defending people on the pitchers mound intentionally trying to harm opposing players. We expect more from children.
No I’m not defending anything of the sort. I’m saying that they are GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY EVEN IF YOU WANT THEM NOT TO. Your attitude is going to get people hurt. Yes it’s wrong to bean hitters. Yes they should, and do get suspended. But they are still going to do it unless it is officially outlawed. You can’t just change reality through the force of your will alone. I don’t want our players getting hurt because I want to win a world series. None of this is a defense of beaning people. This is exactly the point I made in my first post to this thread. We are talking past each other, and you can’t see it because you are so righteously angry about the issue. I agree with you that it is wrong. All I’m saying is that just because it is wrong doesn’t mean that it isn’t going to KEEP HAPPENING!
People are already getting hurt.
I’ll bet they stop after the first one receives consequences.
You are advocating for far more injuries with your wild west revenge bat swinging idea.
So why aren’t you lobbying Rob Manfred to create much harsher penalties for beaning then? What good is all this ranting on a message board. Nothing you say here is going to change baseball one iota. The game is the game until there is an official change to the rules. No matter how strenuously you express your desire for the game to be different, you do not have the power to unilaterally change how 32 teams play the game. It’s not a function of how badly you want things to be different.
Boo-hoo. Consequences. “Pitchers are going to try to injure opposing batters because they feel insulted.” This is, as you’ve stated, “the world we live in.” But flipping that around to, “Batters are free to attempt to injure pitchers AFTER THE PITCHER ATTEMPTS TO HURT THEM,” is so absolutely beyond the pale and terrible and horrific and I’m a real piece of shit. Seriously, do you not see the absurdity?
Think through the actual scenario. Taking a shot at a pitcher that intentionally beans a batter is allowed. WHO THE FUCK IS GOING TO INTENTIONALLY THROW AT A BATTER? Look, I just solved all the problems by providing consequences, without the consequences ever being enforced. Thank you, thank you, make sure my bust in Cooperstown catches my good side.
This entire line of “if you’re not personally in Manfred’s office holding his puppy hostage until he changes the rules to make you happy, you’re not actually doing anything,” is absolutely ridiculous. No shit nothing said here is going to change baseball’s bullshit and hurt fee-fee pitchers and managers. We’re all just randos exchanging electrons. Literally nothing else I have to say to you is Game Room appropriate given this insistence on “do something or shut up”.
Why are you being so aggressive and angry? I have no clue why are pounding the table with spittle spraying out of your mouth mad right now about this. I’ve said nothing to cause you to rage like this. You seem unhinged and I think this is a good time to end the conversation.
Even if the Commissioner’s Office decided to institute far harsher penalties for pitchers deliberately throwing at batters, changes would have to be approved by the players’ union, which is a doubtful prospect.
Which is exactly why we can’t just will away the unwritten rules, as dumb or outdated as they are. Your one team can decide to ignore them, but other teams are not going to just go along unless something official changes.