Toothpaste - fluoride, whitening

If you can’t follow along with the source that I gave, the primary researcher on the topic, then I’m helpless. Why is there reason to “suspect?”

If you’re so concerned about sources, you ought to critically examine sources given by the anti-fluoride side. It’s difficult, but well worth the trip.

Can’t be too careful when it comes to the purity of essence of our precious bodily fluids.

Interesting topic.

  1. There have been some assertions of a relationship between osteoporosis in the elderly and fluoride in drinking water. Cite. Cite: “A higher prevalence of hip fractures in elderly osteoporotic women and osteosarcoma in teenagers has been reported in areas where excess fluoride exists in the drinking water.”

  2. My fellow posters might keep a central principle of toxicology in mind: “The dose makes the poison.” That is, though drinking highly fluoridated water might not be such a hot idea for the elderly, that does NOT imply that they should opt for a nonfluoridated toothpaste. Many things beneficial in moderation are harmful in excess.

This page has a link to a .pdf file entitled, “The Extent of Water Fluoridation”. Check out page 22 of 26. Austria, China, Sweden and Finland don’t treat their water: there are other countries as well. Whether this constitutes a “ban” is a separate matter. (As it happens, some populations in these countries are served by naturally fluoridated water.) Huh. I thought this treatment was fairly universal. Not so: even in the US, only 2/3 of the population has water fluoridation.

I don’t have to. The ADA already has.

And they use water!!!11!!! in nuculer reactors!!! so I’m not evar drinking water again!

Consider the proportion of the population of the US that isn’t using treated water and I don’t find this particularly notable. No city water = no fluoridation. They usually have fluoride programs in schools where this is the case to make sure that kids’ teeth get some fluoride since they are also highly likely to not have regular dental care either. We used to get a fluoride rinse once a week at school. I’m 26 and have had exactly one cavity in my life. I realize that isn’t definative proof, but I’m convinced that fluoride is doing more good than harm until someone shows me a source saying otherwise that is based on sound science, not emotion and assertion.

Again, Measure for Measure’s “The dose makes the poison” aphorism is useful. The water used in dialysis needs to have all manner of substances removed because, though they are harmless or even helpful in normal concentrations, the large amount of water used in the dialysis process could raise their concentrations to dangerous levels. Which, considering the process, should be obvious.

Unless, of course, flouride is naturally in your water source. I have a well, and there is flouride in my water because there is flouride in the ground water that’s pumped into my house from the well.

It’s within what is considered to be a safe limit for consumption, so, there it is.

I’m 27 and I have never had a cavity in my life.

You’re only saying that because the Russian Nazis told you to.

Does anyone else get the impression that the anti-fluoridation posts in this thread are being made by one nut with a drawer full of dirty footwear?

Damn those CommieNazis!! someone call McBain!

I bow down to your superior ground water source and your enviable dental health record.

And my mama taught me to respect my elders :smiley:

Sooo…has anyone heard from the anti fluoride brigade recently? Are they perhaps getting their teeth drilled on?

Actually, the most common rat poison is made from warfarin.
C19 H15 NaO4

No flourine in there at all. A lot of carbon and hydrogen, though.

Great kunilou now I have to avoid carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, and oxygen in my toothpaste.

I’m not suggesting that sugar is bad for our teeth, but is there actually an increase in tooth decay?

All four of my grandparents had to have all of their teeth removed and replaced with dentures when they were in their 30s. My grandmother tells me that this was not uncommon in those days (in England).

It doesn’t seem to be very common these days so that would suggest that peoples dental health has improved a great deal since the 1950s.

And isn’t warfarin a fairly commonly prescribed blood thinner? (common for blood thinners, that is).

Oh my god, they’re poisoning us at every turn!

In fact it is, under the trade name Coumadin.

Bah. You should have been around when every shoe store had a badly-shielded x-ray machine to ensure proper fit. Kids today… are lucky to even exist, in retrospect.

Will someone please, PLEASE (I beg of you) address the following assertion by Chooch, made earlier in this thread:

"The flouride used in our water and toothpaste is is actually waste by product from factories, who found a great way to dispose of their refuse and get paid at the same time."

I have heard this same statement from numerous friends over the years—people who are not normally given to bizarre allegations.

Searching for info to refute this claim is an excercise in migraine-inducing frustration on the internet; a needle in an anti-fluoride haystack.

Can anyone tackle this claim with hard evidence? I’ll be your best friend. :slight_smile:

According to Wikipedia, some of the fluoride in our water is a byproduct of the phosphate fertilizer industry and is done to comply with clean air standards.

Those who oppose fluoridation seem to mostly claim that fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum production. This doesn’t sound like any aluminum producers have been selling off their byproduct lately:

Others claim that it’s a byproduct of the manufacturing of weapons-grade plutonium and uranium. This is misleading–it’s a byproduct, sure, but in order to facilitate the production it had to be added. It’s not like the flouride came out of nowhere.

Another common rat poison is Thallium. What does KC make every day to inject into middle aged folks?

Radioactive Thallium!

Bastard! Poisoner! Commie!