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Any movie with ghosts that walk through walls but stand squarely on the floor or ground.
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For that matter…why are ghosts wearing clothes? Are their clothes dead, too?
Not to mention ghosts who look like they’re rotting/worm infested. Are those ghost worms? What did they do to end up unable to pass into the afterlife proper? (Unless it’s like one of those deals where one person’s heaven is another’s hell…literally. Maybe the spirits of good and virtuous maggots are rewarded by being allowed to burrow through the flesh of the damned for eternity.)
This ghost discussion doesn’t qualify, methinks. Who knows what the hell a ghost behaves like? Each movie can pretty much make it up, and it doesn’t qualify as a gap or inconsistency.
All this talk about The Matrix, and no one’s even casually mentioned the idiotic “using humans as a power supply” thing? I know, it’s been done to death, and everyone already knows about it, but still. It’s such a giant elephant in such a tiny room that it has to at least be commented upon.
[QUOTE=Loach]
In 19 years plus in the Army both fulltime and guard I have used AN/PVS-5, AN/PVS-6, AN/PVS-7 and AN/PVS-14 NVGs. I am well aquainted with them. The AN/PVS-7s that I used had a small infrared light. It was used to light up things close to you so you could read a map, not for lighting up a room. In pitch black conditions there was a very faint red light (like a little dot, not a cone of light) coming from the IR lamp which would have been a beacon for agent Starling. The infrared light was not used tactically since to anyone else wearing NVGs you would look like you had a spotlight on your head. Buffalo Bill was not using that type of equipment.
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Umm…you’d really expect that amount of detail from the movie?
[QUOTE=Zsofia]
I skimmed the thread in my excitement for my favorite, so I don’t THINK anybody beat me - but if the framing device for Citizen Kane is “what is Rosebud?” - who heard Kane say the word? He died alone.
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No, he didn’t.
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton]
Apparently, nobody involved in making that movie understood the plot. It’s a Hollywood legend in that regard.
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It’s rather messy and ambiguous in the original novel, too. IIRC, Owen the chauffeur kills Geiger. Joe Brody, who’d been staking out Geiger’s house, follows him, pulls him over, ‘plays copper’, gets the photos, and saps Owen down when he gets violent. Owen drives off in a hysterical and contused state, and winds up driving off the pier. So Joe Brody sort of killed him.
Speaking of this, where did the almost universal belief that Kane died alone come from? My foggy memory says it’s because a character said so. But in that case, why should we believe him? The entire movie is about the learning process about Kane. The character could’ve been mistaken, or simply not known about the butler.
ETA: Okay, the movie apparently shows the room empty. But did it actually show it in such a way that no one could’ve possibly been in there?
There could have been a whole film crew in there with him.
The scene depicts that on a psychological, emotional level, he died alone, but allows for the literal possibility that someone was there to overhear his last word, which, in fact, the discussion in the screening room makes obvious.
Ocean’s Twelve was based on the idea that the gang from the first movie was competing with this French thief, the Night Fox, to see who could steal a piece of art first. They set up a ridiculously elaborate plan and are infiltrating the museum when there’s a problem and half of the gang gets arrested.
[spoiler]The Night Fox is able to steal the prize while they’re in jail. But then it’s revealed that Ocean’s gang had already stolen the prize days earlier while it was being transported to the museum and what the Night Fox stole was a replica.
In which case, why were they going into the museum to steal something they already had?[/spoiler]
Okay, two questions regarding the climax of X-Men 3:
Number one: Why did Wolverine have to kill Jean Grey? Why couldn’t he have knocked her unconscious and later on injected her with the “cure”, if the main problem was that she would probably never be able to completely control her powers? Or was there something I missed about how the cure wouldn’t work on “class 5” mutants? (or whatever the term was). I personally would have preferred the “powerless Rogue” reveal to have taken place much earlier, which might have lead to the rest of the X-Men thinking, hey, maybe this abominable cure CAN be useful sometimes.
…and, what is probably the more proper “plot hole” of the two…As Wolverine is struggling to reach Jean, with his skin being repeatedly ripped away and regenerating, why don’t his pants get ripped off as well?
Another one from the BTTF franchise - in BTTF3, if I recall correctly, Marty ends up at one point in the home of what turns out to be his paternal grandparents (or possibly great-grandparents?) being looked after by his (great- ?) grandmother. And, hey, he knows it’s a family member of his because she looks just like his mother.
His Mother. Who’s not a McFly herself, and who has absolutely no biological connection to the McFly family of the 1880’s (we hope!)
[QUOTE=John DiFool]
My final point, unaddressed, still holds. A guy tries to kill him, but nobody thinks to stop him and see what all the fuss was about. That’s even if the guard buys that permit stuff.
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IIRC, no one at the airport knew Bruce Willis’ character was trying to kill him. All they knew was that there was some psycho with a gun. in an airport.
I grant you that, at the very least, all the flights would be grounded and everyone in the airport questioned for several hours…but eventually, people (including captain biohazard) would be able to on on their merry way once they figured out they didn’t know who this random psycho was or what he was trying to do. Also, keep in mind this was the mid-90’s. While air-travel wasn’t like it was in the 60’s, with any old person hopping on a plane even without a ticket, it also wasn’t like it is now, with every person getting scrutinized. A random security guard seeing what looks like very official and very important documents would probably just figure everything was ok.
…and, what is probably the more proper “plot hole” of the two…As Wolverine is struggling to reach Jean, with his skin being repeatedly ripped away and regenerating, why don’t his pants get ripped off as well?
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I guess he buys his pants from the same place the Hulk gets his pants.
[QUOTE=KneadToKnow]
Okay, will someone go ahead and spoil High Tension, please? That’s what we’ve got spoiler boxes for, after all.
[spoiler]The basic plot is that a young woman is staying at the home of her best friend’s family when a serial killer breaks into the home, murders the other girl’s family and kidnaps the girl. The protagonist (who was unseen by the killer during the murders) sneaks into the back of the kiler’s truck, and basically, the rest of the movie involves the protagonist stealthily following the killer as he goes on his rampaging adventures, looking for an opportunity to rescue her friend.
The twist…
The killer is really the protagonist. She has a split personality. She’s in love with her friend. There are a number of logical problems with this, but the most glaring one is the truck itself. If the killer and the truck are imaginary, then how does half the movie take place in an imaginary truck. IIRC, there’s even a chase involving the protagonist chasing the truck. That aspect is what gave rise to Ebert’s line about the movie literally driving a truck through the plot hole.[/spoiler]
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Haven’t seen the movie, but can this be read as some kind of surrealist, semi-Lynchian sort of movie maybe?
[QUOTE=Aspidistra]
Another one from the BTTF franchise - in BTTF3, if I recall correctly, Marty ends up at one point in the home of what turns out to be his paternal grandparents (or possibly great-grandparents?) being looked after by his (great- ?) grandmother. And, hey, he knows it’s a family member of his because she looks just like his mother.
His Mother. Who’s not a McFly herself, and who has absolutely no biological connection to the McFly family of the 1880’s (we hope!)
Bzzzzt!
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I don’t think Marty makes the leap you’re talking about here. Granted, he mumbles, “Mom?” as he’s waking up, but I think he does that every time he regains consciousness with someone taking care of him–with young Lorraine in 1955, alt-Lorraine in 1985, and Missus McFly in 1885. It’s a running joke (and he’s right more often than not). Once he figures out when and where he is, I don’t think he makes any assumptions–he asks Missus McFly who she is, as I recall.
The resemblance is also a running joke–apparently the McFly menfolk have a strong, inheritable attraction to girls who look like Lorraine.
The bigger problem is the whole transmitter issue. The controllers are all fretting about not being able to contact the planes after the bad guys disable their communications. They even walk into an ambush trying to get to the radio at the “annex skywalk”. Here’s the problem:
Every plane on the ground at that airport has a transmitter in it.
They could just walk out to gate C12, walk onto the flight deck of a 737, hit the master switch, tune to the right frequency, and talk to every plane in the air.
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Good. Freakin’. Lord. I never even thought about this. I just facepalmed so hard I think I have fingerprint bruises on my forehead. Thanks for pointing this out. It goes on the long list of reasons I really hated this movie… :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Intravenus De Milo]
Okay, two questions regarding the climax of X-Men 3:
Number one: Why did Wolverine have to kill Jean Grey? Why couldn’t he have knocked her unconscious and later on injected her with the “cure”, if the main problem was that she would probably never be able to completely control her powers? Or was there something I missed about how the cure wouldn’t work on “class 5” mutants? (or whatever the term was). I personally would have preferred the “powerless Rogue” reveal to have taken place much earlier, which might have lead to the rest of the X-Men thinking, hey, maybe this abominable cure CAN be useful sometimes.
…and, what is probably the more proper “plot hole” of the two…As Wolverine is struggling to reach Jean, with his skin being repeatedly ripped away and regenerating, why don’t his pants get ripped off as well?
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Well, based on the tiny bit of movement in the chess piece at the end, it seems the cure might not have even really worked on Magneto (not permanently, anyway). But of course the X-Men didn’t know this, so that doesn’t explain why they didn’t try to cure her. I’m actually mostly posting to mention a suggestion I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that instead of Rogue taking the cure, there should have been a scene of her and Bobby kissing which then panned down to Leech sitting under their bed with headphones on. That would have been a thousand times better, IMO. I get that the director felt that realistically no one would be stupid enough to keep such crappy powers as Rogue had, but in the context of the “mutants as oppressed minority” metaphor the ending as written is basically equivalent to a gay person taking a pill to make them straight, or an African-American taking a pill to become white. Blech.
Speaking of X3, I was pretty stunned when I rewatched it on HBO recently and discovered that Shadowcat is the girl from Juno.
Regarding Wolverine’s pants: perhaps they’re made of unstable molecules?
What about the big plot hole in the first BTTF movie? The plan to get Marty Back To The Future hinges on Doc knowing exactly when lighting will strike the clock tower…but actually the information he has only gives him a window one minute long, as the clock has no second hand and, as seen when the Doc is messing with the cables, the minute hand only moves once per minute, not in a slow progression to the next minute.
(Also, on the “why bring Jennifer” front - I always thought Doc hoped that by letting Marty and Jennifer see this future they’d might able to avoid letting Marty become such an asshat. This would be after he’d read Marty’s letter, and changed his mind about the advisability of knowing one’s own future in certain cases.)
[QUOTE=CalMeacham]
A more serious one from Back to the Future 2 is – after he’s stolen the deLorean and taken the Sports Guide back to his 1955 self, how can Biff return to the future where he stole the car? The future’s been changed! He shouldn’t be able to get to the one that Doc and Marty are in.
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I remember, after **BTTF2 ** came out, an article in Starlog, I think, that asked the same question, and posited that the true hero of the upcoming **BTTF3 ** would have to be…Biff! Somehow he realized the error of his ways, and did something to fix the timelines…which would explain why there was all the crazy smoke and a beat-up-looking Biff exiting from the car in 2015.
