toward being a free man on the land

Cite, please?

Who created the law? Man. I am Man. I am the creator.

the facts as they are , now how far up the hierarchy is up to you

Then you and the OP are well-matched.

Who created the law? Some men. you are a man. you are not the creator.

facts are as they are, despite lofty speech.

No.
Could you please provide a link that shows that when new statutes are written they ask for enforcement under “colour of law”.

OK, and how does the infrastructure get funded? Firehouses and trucks aren’t free, the last time I checked.

You drive a car, therefore you are beholden to the government for your drivers license, and for the registration of your car. What’s that, you don’t think drivers should have to be licensed? What’s going to happen when the first unlicensed and uninsured idiot plows into your car and seriously injures you?

I have a question for you, marcmcroy. Are you trying to describe how the legal system does work, or how the legal system should work?

There’s plenty of room for reasonable debate on the latter, but not on the former.

Can’t explain a “why” unless it can be shown that it is done. Who are “they” and to whom do “they” ask for “enforcement under ‘colour of law?’”

Please, a citation of a court case or legislative minutes would be sufficient.

The National Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing Commission says so (but that’s a government institution, so you probably won’t believe them).

yea you’re right the guys that need more money . I don’t believe them

Quelle surprise.

OK, go for it! Stop paying taxes, ignore being arrested. Good luck, and let us know how it works out. Even if it works for you, I’m not interested. I vastly prefer an elected government to the virtual anarchy you seem to profess.

Please leave me and my kids out of it; we want no part in it.

Well, they could be the laws of physics. I haven’t managed to break any of those, recently. :wink:

Reality is not constrained by what you personally believe. If you plug your ears and don’t try to understand how the government actually works, then the Terrorists will win.

Since you asked for a cite(although you can’t seem to come up with any yourself), what would be acceptable to you?

Fasten the seat belts even gravity is suspect. Here
Everything is not as it seems.

Seriously?

The universe obeys certain physical laws (laws in the specific scientific sense, not a legal one). We don’t have a 100% handle on them, and we know that.

And even that paper describes physics at the boundaries. Everyday gravity still works the way we expect.

Seems like you wish to conflate two different terms that are spelled the same. A physical law is jargon. It’s physics jargon. Your so-called ‘natural’ law and our legal system use a different piece of jargon. Why try to conflate them?

Unlike a law passed by man, we can’t violate the physical laws of the universe. That’s part of the definition of a physical law and why it’s jargon. You can violate you ‘natural’ laws or even laws passed in our legal system. You cannot, by definition, violate a law of the universe. If it appears you have, you are either mistaken about the violation or we are mistaken about the physical law.

Man’s law is the highest order. There is no god, nor would I follow him if he were to exist. Man is here, man is tangible, man creates and shapes the world. It is to men you are held accountable and it is by men in which you would be punished, put in fined, jailed, or worse, when you break Man’s law. The 10 commandments are inadequate, and limited, and know no nuance. What if I had to lie to save a child, or kill to protect myself? The commandments do not address that, they are stupid, childish, a product of simple people desiring simple times. And I could tell you why the state forces you to wear seat belts, but you would neither understand nor accept the reason, so there is no point in explaining it to you. You and I are both owned by others, in part, because no man is an island. You don’t have to accept that or understand it, but you do have to behave as if that’s true, because it is and any deviation from that will get you punished by men who are more powerful than you. That is reality and you can do nothing about it no matter the words you try to use to describe yourself, you will always be subjected to Man’s law

Where is your cite that this

happens?
What would you accept as a cite for this statement

?

  1. Gasoline tax alone does not pay for the building and maintainance of the road.
  2. I did look it up. Interest on the debt is less than 6.1% of the US spending.
  3. So you received the benefits of a free public education? Why didn’t that enter you into a contract with the state?
  4. Does the Sheriff’s office provide you with safety and protection of you and your land?

So in short, if you want to be a Freeman of the land are you prepared to do one of two things:

  1. Give up ALL benefits of being a US citizen include access to anything off of your property such as public roads.
    or
  2. Pay the true cost of the benefits you use which I can guaranty is more than you pay in taxes. You can start by reimbursing your state for the cost of your education.

I first heard of these FMOTL people on the Randi forum a while ago, and my impression is that it’s a big thing in Australia. Not sure about that, but our friend marcmcroy here called people “mate” and talked about “honour” so that makes me think that he probably didn’t attend school in the US.