Sorry, KellyM. I didnt realize your earlier link was the same one I posted, I didn
t even see it actually. (it was greyed out)
Objection! **KellyM[b/] is by my mearsurements 5’11" even, although she disagrees. She says that her measurements are 5’11 7/8" and that rounds to 6’. She does seem shorter than when we first met. She is much, much weaker, it is now far easier to pin her to the bed for one thing.
Your memory is faulty, I am afraid.
A good summary of the history of female Olympians suspected of being male can be found here. You will note that none of them are from West Germany (although one was from Nazi Germany; she was intersexual and eventually assigned to male). The only proven, documented case of an imposter involved an American – who, curiously enough, accused the person she lost to of being a man. (She wasn’t.) All cases of suspected imposters at the Olympics that I know of have involved false accusation, born women using testosterone as a performance enhancer (a possible explanation for Nazi German and Soviet bloc “unusually masculine women”), or intersexual conditions. The one imposter I mentioned above was not questioned at the Olympics themselves, but was instead discovered years later when she was shot dead in a robbery and her male genitalia discovered on autopsy.
A lack of emotional involvement does not excuse making claims based on ignorance and false information. Since you did so, I objected. This is, after all, Great Debates, and you can’t just post an assertion and expect it to go unquestioned. And especially when that assertion has already been made and dealt with previously in the thread.
Sorry, I have to nitpick. Elite artistics gymnasts are extremely strong. Strength is vital in artistics gymnastics.
That would be “artistic” not “artistics”.
Almsot all the discussion abotu competing mentioned in thsi thread refers to post-op persons, but the OP specifically states “The International Olympic Committee even wants to allow pre-op transsexuals to compete…” (emphasis mine)
That being the case, and the link is expired now so I’ve not read the piece (I know, RTFA), but unless HRT is mandated, wouldn’t a pre-op, non-HRT athlete be allowed and therefor have a huge advantage?
Almost…about…this…therefore…
sheesh
I don’t know where the OP got that idea; everything I’ve seen about the IOC’s proposed (and now final) rules would allow a pre-op to compete except as a member of his or her birth sex (and even that would be prohibited to a female-to-male because testosterone is a prohibited steroid). I can only assume that the Sun misreported the IOC’s rules:
Hmmm…pioneer Renee Richards is against it.Not so much because of the body itself but because of the heavy doping involved in the change.