Transvestites.

I am absolutely fascinated by men who cross-dress, female impersonators, and other gender-bending type guys. I’ve always identified with them strongly (as a straight woman) and wondered exactly what makes them tick.

Also, I really loved going to drag shows back in the 90s when you could see everything from a dude singing like Whitney Houston to crazy, whip-cream coated Wendy O Williams wannabees. That’s part of the fascination I think.

Anybody else enjoy a good drag show, or share my interest/identification and if so why? Any cross-dressing/transgendered folks who would like to add their thoughts, please accept my humble welcome.

I have a thing for transgendered males too. Any guy who can pass for a hot girl is very hot in my book! Most tg guys tend to have a more feminine mind and I prefer female minds in male bodies.

That’s exactly right. I love a genderqueer dude.

Also, I really like gender bending musicians like K Cobain, David Bowie, Marilyn Manson. I don’t think that there are only two genders… there have to be a million. I just wish that most of them were more socially acceptable. YMMV.

I find Eddie Izzard’s work quite enjoyable. :wink:

They’s just people to me. I do wonder about the men who have bad make-up and hair, or problems with finding the right outfit. Is this inexperience or is it intentional, and a desired effect by some?

I’ve never considered Cobain even remotely gender bending. However, David Bowie is as hot as he ever was. In fact, the last time I saw him, he looked like he’d been working out and looked positively GAWgeous.

This is a definition of “transgendered” with which I am previously unfamiliar, my understanding of “transgendered man” being generally exactly the opposite.

Unless having a “female mind” means having experience with living in a female body, in which case I… no, I still don’t get it. You sure you don’t mean someone who was born male, but feels more true to themselves when acting and dressing femininely, sometimes to the point of seeking hormonal or surgical alteration (i.e. a transsexual woman)?

I think I’ll just wander off and think about men in skirts until my brain stops hurting now.

Corrvin
“mmm, men in skirts”

I have a lot if transvestite friends and I really enjoy talknig with them as a girl (or a Gender-Girl as they call me). It really is just like talking to other women when they’re ‘in mode’. When a close friend told me he was a transvestite on the weekends, I was quite shcoked because I didn’t pick up on any signs at all. But it’s been an interesting time for me.

Transvestites, as I understand it, grow from the ceilings. Transvestmites grow up from the floor. I for one always enjoy a good drag show. It amuses me and some odd level.

Best? At the Imperial Palace in Vegas. They have a lady who does a dead-on impersonation of the “Can we talk?” lady (what is her name?) WOrse show in was in New Orleans. Nothing but prostitution.

Most interesting was Bangkok. Beautiful ladies. Still, too darn tall to pass.

My roommate was a cross dresser. From what I could tell by reading between the lines he was predominately straight, but I’m aware of some post/pre op parters he’d played around with.

He took me and my (then fiancee) wife to a show and we had a GREAT time. He introduced me to a statueesque looker in tight spandex and the illution was PERFECT, right up til she shook my hand. It’s hard to hide man hands.

It was an intresting segment of the population and one I enjoyed visiting, but it sure was hard on his body to go through that transformation, night after night. (He was actually an entertainer, so did it quite often.) I’ll stop describing it as I’d prefer this to remain Google Transparent.

I’m not attracted to them, however, every. single. one. of my best friends is a transvestite or a crossdresser. With a couple of regular old run-of-the-mill gay men - both pretty flamboyant (and one is bitchier than me on my worst day, normally - but what a doll if he loves you!). What’s weird: I never confessed my bisexuality to any of them, though they are my closest confidantes, and I theirs.

I seem to be a magnet in RL… but I don’t mind at all. I do seem to relate to them on some level, though obviously I haven’t experienced life in their shoes. I was best friends with most of them before they came out, and defended them all fiercely from people’s nasty remarks and taunts before I ever knew myself that they were who they were. And I still do.

I tell you, though, they all always make me feel like a million bucks. They don’t lie, if I look like hell they tell me so, but when I shine, they don’t break out the claws like a “regular” girl will. Honestly, I think they are the best, friendliest, and healthiest relationships I have ever had with any other people - they don’t envy me, I don’t envy them (we goof off, playing shallow, but it’s all in fun), my husband doesn’t get jealous… all the great stuff that friendship entails without all the baggage. IME, of course.

God, we had fun… in a tiny, shallow, nasty little town, we all clung to each other for love and support, which most of them didn’t get from home, and neither did I, though my hopes and dreams were different. We all swore to each other, promised each other we would eventually escape from that hateful town… and we all did. We are strewn all over today, one in China, one in Greece, one in western Canada, one in Australia, three in England… and little me in Seattle. There are two more unaccounted for. The rest I keep up with, in email or running up the phone bill. :smiley:

As for “sloppiness” - IME only, when she was beginning to crossdress, one of my friends was just beginning to test the waters. She had just confessed to her parents that she was a crossdresser, and they kicked her out. So she was living in a small apartment near me, and I would help her doll up, but the process was slow. She wasn’t used to it. She hadn’t found a way to stop the stubble, and she hadn’t yet perfected leg shaving yet. But we would work together, sometimes for weeks at a time. She was a little chubby, as well, and so her manly body shape didn’t fit well in dresses, so we worked on her diet and exercise. It took some time for her to get the hang of something she had spent all of her life being denied of. She would pick clothes that didn’t hang right, and were ill-fitting. But she was so proud of herself, and we had so much fun, doing each others hair and nails and make up. Last time I saw her in person, she’d lost a lot of weight and the clothes were fitting much better, she could shave her legs without a million nicks (hey! even those of us who’ve been doing it forever have some trouble sometimes!), and she was applying her own makeup without such a heavy hand. When she first began crossdressing in public, it was all so new to her, and she felt so good to be free, so a lot of it was enthusiasm; excitement. When I was 13 years old, and my mother allowed me to wear makeup for the first time, AND jewellery, I always overdid it in my excitement. I have no idea if that is what it is like for all crossdressers, but watching my dear friend was like watching my 13 year old self - excited with the new realms of freedom and expression. So that might account for some of the ladies you see who might look a little unkempt, but probably not for all. Some may only like to do it for the weekend, and might be satisfied with how they look to themselves, and/or how they feel with themselves. And that’s really all that counts.

Sorry for my rambling. Touched on a few of my fondest memories. I have a few phone calls I need to make now - got some old friends I need to catch up with.

There is debate within the community over where the lines are drawn, but I was using the term transgendered with the exclusion of transsexuals. Ie, Crossdressers, transvestites, genderqueers. You are right though, I wasn’t very clear. With the exception of non-op mtfs, the mind set should be classified as feminine rather than female.

I’m not sure how many trans-identified folks use the word ‘transvestite’ any longer. In the past it was used basically to include anybody who crossdressed for any reason or who was pre- or non-operative transgender (if they didn’t want to get the chop, it must be simply a clothes thing…)

Now of course it’s all split up between crossdressers, drag queens (performers who use the drag aesthetic), transvestic fetishists (those who get off on other-gendered clothes), and of course the aforementioned pre/non-op transgendered people (for whom it really doesn’t have to do with the clothes, but with the whole gender).

As for me, I adore drag queens and am fairly certain that it’s only a matter of time before I’m persuaded to do it myself, possibly at next year’s pride; amateur night at Cabaret Mado is a constant chimera.

Oddly enough, the rest of it doesn’t really do it for me – though I ID as genderqueer and femme, I’m not nearly tough enough to cross-dress in public (nor do I have a particular urge to do so, although I do like my sarongs and my purse); and ladies’ unmentionables really don’t do it for me at all, nor does cross-gender play in bed (“forced feminization”/“sissy play”). If I’m subbing, I like to be treated as a femme boy, not like a girl.

That said, I trip comme c’est pas possible on femme/genderqueer boys - especially the demure/sweet variety (bitchiness/drama is a spice, not a main course, thank you), and I’ve noticed how disturbingly often I find MTF girls’ “before” pictures hot. Contrariwise, I know one or two FTMs who are absolutely drop-dead Tasmanian-Devil-thumping-foot-and-spinning gorgeous. A certain degree of androgyny really does it for me, visually at least.

This is the show I want to see http://www.trockadero.org/

I saw them when they were in Montreal earlier this year for Montréal en Lumière and they were magnificent. The dancing was superb and the farce was hilarious. The humour and in-jokes were also very accessible to someone with no knowledge of ballet, such as me.

There is Frank Marino who does Joan Rivers and his show of impersonators is La Cage and currently they are performing at the Riviera.

When I lived in Berlin I saw hundreds of drag shows. I once did an interview with Romy Haag, a drag queen who dated David Bowie for quite some time while he was living in Berlin. And several friends are/were regular performers here.

But to be honest, I am sort of “been there done that” with drag shows. Plus, you have never met a real bitch-on-wheels until you meet a bitter drag queen, and trust me, I have met more than my share.

So Frank Marino says “I went to my high school reunion. An old friend of mine asks ‘So what are you doing for a living?’” Great mental picture.

It is pretty fascinating.

I used to wonder myself what it’d be like…then a couple of years ago I got chance for Halloween…yeah, I make an ugly chick. I looked more like a rock star with long hair (duh).