Traveling from London to Paris

This weekend I’m leaving for a six-week stay in London. It’s my first time in Europe, so along with planning a hojillion things to do while I’m in England, I’ve been considering getting over to Paris for a day or two or three while I have the opportunity (basically, I want to see the Louvre; anything else would be gravy).

If any Dopers with travel experience could give me some idea about how much I’m going to end up paying for this, what the best times to go are, what the best way to get there is, etc., that would be great. From the reading I’ve done so far, people have been saying that the Eurostar is the way to go, so I was planning on that. It’d also be nice to know how much of an issue my not speaking any French at all would be.

It’s something I’d really like to do, but if it leads to more stress than it’s worth, I’ll probably just scrap the idea.

*On a hideously unrelated note, if anyone can reccomend a good comic book shop or similar in London, that’d be neat.

London is Europe’s largest city. It can fill a lifetime by itself. Just finding breakfast each morning can lead to something you will remember forever. (Or not.)

Paris is also large, but I suspect breaking your trip will lead you to doing neither city justice.

Leave your schedule open and if London starts to bum you out, grab a HoverSpeed and hit Normandy and Paris.

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In Paris on the first Sunday of the month the museums are free. AND CROWDED.

If you do Paris I highly recommend Notre Dame on a sunny day and go up the towers. The view of Paris from it’s center from the towers of Notre Dame is the best.

I think with six weeks in London shy guy has time to get to paris for a few days. I’d strongly suggest getting the Chunnel eurostar from Waterloo station. It is quite a quick journey (it is possible to go to Paris for a single day, but not advisable) and gets you to the center of paris (North station [paris du Nord] if I remember correctly). Use the metro to get around Paris, and if possible book a hotel in advance to avoid wasting time loking for accomodation. The eurostar train ticket prices are quite expensive, but very worthwhile for the convinience of getting from central London directly to central Paris.
A phraise book would help with language, as it is pollite to try and speak French in France. Pick up the Time Out Paris eddition when you are in London to find things to do when you get to Paris.

I agree that you should go, since what you can see in Paris over three days is a lot better than what you can see in your fifth week in London. I also agree on taking Eurostar - very efficient, and a great experience.

I hope you get to see some of England outside of London also.

I don’t know about the French problem, since why wife speaks it fairly well. You might be in better shap not speaking French at all than speaking it badly. My daughter tried her high school English with not a lot of success.

I really don’t speak any French and I got along just fine.

Just do one thing. When you enter a shop or a restaurant say Bon Jour or Bon Soir to the people there. They will instantly know that you are an American and begin speaking english to you. I did my best to say Bon Jour and sound French but somehow they always knew. Maybe it was the two different cameras around my neck and the map in my pocket.

Be friendly to them and they’ll be friendly to you.

Nothing to do with Paris, but you ought to consider meeting the Londopers while you’re over here. There isn’t an official Londope scheduled in the next 6 weeks, but informal [sup]*[/sup] gatherings happen more often. NADS is the place to hang out/lurk in to be kept fully abreast of Dope-related stuff in the UK and Ireland.

  • Actually all the get-togethers are similar whether it’s a formal Londope or not. People drink lots, talk bollocks and generally have fun.

I’ll add my recommendation for the Eurostar. It’s a three-hour trip, very comfortable, and you are right in the city when you arrive at Gare du Nord (sp?).

We loved Paris–did quite well with only rusty high school French and found, as Zebra said, that a polite and friendly attitude goes far. Everyone we met was helpful and pleasant.

Get a three day Metro pass and a good map and you can go anywhere. The most touristy and unexpectedly wonderful thing we did was take the Metro at night to the Trocadero to see the Eiffel tower lit up. Quite lovely.

Be sure to get a crepe (warm with Nutella–heaven!), wear good walking shoes, and hold tight to your wallet in the crowds. Enjoy the beautiful city!

Thanks a ton for the advice, guys. I’m definitely going to make the effort to go now.

And thanks for that link, bonzer!

Well, you’ve already made up your mind, but I’ll throw my two euros in:

I did the same thing last fall, was vacationing in London and figured that I might as well see a little bit of Paris, as long as I was out there. I actually didn’t like it that much, but I blamed that on my being there alone (and Paris is awfully romantic) and that it was towards the end of my trip, so every single inconvenience annoyed me more than it should have. It is without question one of the most beautiful cities in the world, but I think you have to be in the right frame of mind for it. I just kept thinking how excessive it is.

If it’s a six-week trip, I’d recommend at least three days in Paris. I spent two days and just saw the highlights with no downtime, and it all felt pretty rushed. You will not be able to see all of the Louvre, so don’t even try. I was there for about four hours and only saw part of one wing, and only that much by walking quickly. Just choose the big things you want to see there and hit those and the surrounding area. (For me, I just wanted to see The Raft of the Medusa, and just because it was on the cover of a Pogues album).

I recommend seeing the Sacre Coeur, in Montmarte. It’s far from being an obscure tourist attraction, but I’d never heard of it before. It’s a beautiful building, and is high enough to give you a nice view of the entire city. And the other standard attractions – Notre Dame, the Opera House, the Eiffel Tower (at night), the Pompidou Centre – are crowded with tourists, of course, but are still very impressive sights.

If I can recommend a travel guide, I’d get The Eyewitness Guide by Dorling Kindersley. It’s not the deepest you’ll find, but it’s fantastic for quick, shallow trips.

There are several open-air tour buses that go through the city, and as touristy as they sound, they’re great for just checking stuff off your list, and your ticket is good for the whole day (or two days), so you can stay at a place as long as you want. The lines stop at all of the major tourist attractions.

Getting there, I used the Eurostar from Waterloo to Gare du Nord like everyone else. It’s kind of expensive, but it’s extremely convenient and painless.

As for the language: I took four years of French in high school and college, which means that I can’t speak or understand French. I could make simple sentences in my head as I walked along (“Ca femme porte un petite chien”), but couldn’t speak to anyone in anything other than English. I didn’t have any problems at all, just extremely minor inconveniences. Of course, I did stay in the touristy areas and didn’t try to do much socializing. As Zebra mentioned, say bonjour to start with, to show respect for the language and to make it clear that you’re not French.

In my case, I started out by spending a couple of days in Disneyland Paris, both because of my bizarre Disney fixation and because I thought that as an Ugly American, I could use it to slowly acclimate myself to France instead of just diving headfirst right into the middle of Paris. This was a bad idea all around. The park just isn’t that impressive, even if you like Disney, and the people were actually more hostile and less helpful than in Paris itself.

Forbidden Planet on Shaftesbury Avenue and Gosh Comics near Russell square are my regular haunts.

As Bonzer mentioned, let us know when you are over and we’ll do a Pub trip in your honour.

Just wanted to say thanks to SolGrundy (especially since your experience sounds very much like mine will be) and garius (because from the looks of it there are ten billion comic shops in London and I won’t make it to them all) for your replies!

Definitely Eurostar. Even though it seems expensive, you save a lot by not having to get all the way out to Heathrow or Luton or Gatwick and then save again (time and money) on the other end. Net costs are not any more than flying (at least this was true 3 years ago).

I’d learn a couple more phrses than Bon Jour and Bon Soir. I found that asking “Parlez vous Anglais?” got a postive response -almost always “Of couse, monsieur”- a lot more often than saying “Do you speak English?” slowly and loudly.

If museums are your thing, don’t miss the Musee D’Orsay . Lots of great stuff in a beautiful old train station turned museum and nowhere near as crowded as the Louvre.

One other thing: definitely take a boat ride down the Seine. The largest tour bus line (I forget what they’re called, but they’re at every major tourist attraction) has a joint deal with one of the boat lines that includes a boat trip along with your bus ticket. I got on near the Eiffel Tower. It’s got the best view of the Pont Neuf and Notre Dame Cathedral. And be sure to take a walk back up along the river, too, at least for a stretch.

Have fun.

Here is another vote for the Eurostar. You can easily get to Waterloo Station by the Underground. Unless you go in rush hour there is no real problem with taking a moderate amount of luggage on the subway.

If you have any interest in French military history (no smart comments, please) you should go to Les Invalides where there is a stunning Napoleonic museum and a separate floor that carefully explains how Charles DeGaulle almost single handedly won the Second World War.

I envy you no end. Have a good time.

And once you’ve done that, take the metro line 6 from Trocadéro (direction Nation) over the Seine. There’s a viaduct and if you sit on the left-hand side of the train, you shoot out from underground over the river, with the tower right there and all lit up in front of you. It’s marvellous.

Now it is even quicker on Eurostar. Since the opening of the first stage of the new high-speed line in England the journey time is now just two and a half hours. That is city centre to city centre . Air travel just cannot compete with these times.

Hmm, when I was there, that museum was no longer in operation. Apparently some German tourists had come in for a visit, and the curator panicked and immediately closed up shop and gave them the keys.

Hey, you said no smart comments.

Definitely go to Paris via Eurostar. If you buy a round-trip ticket far enough in advance, you can save quite a bit.

If you’re going to the Louvre, don’t miss *Winged Victory (Nike of Samothrace). *But also go to the the incomparable d’Orsay Museum, especially the top floor (all the impressionists are there).

And make some time to just meander around the little streets in the Left Bank.

Bon voyage!