That’s interesting that Jesus was planning on having an apostle come along after he was a zombie and contradict a bunch of the stuff he said. I’m sure you can point to the chapter and verse where Jesus mentioned this. It seems like it would be an important topic to cover, since striking exactly the right balance between OT law, Jesus’s teachings, and Paul’s writings are essential to getting into heaven.
So I’m just sure that Jesus made this clear, I’m sure there’s a verse somewhere where he says “OK, you can forget all that crap in the OT now, including the parts of the OT that say it will never change forever and ever; except keep slaughtering witches for, oh, let’s say the next 1800 years, and also you can keep slaves for, I don’t know, we’ll call it 1900 years to be on the safe side. But the rest is out. Especially the stuff you can make money on like usury laws. And anything else convenient for you to lord over people and make yourself feel superior to them, you can keep that around too. And also, a bunch of this stuff I’m teaching you now is gonna change in like 30 years. One of these days I’ll get around to writing down exactly what you have to believe from the OT, my teachings, and the apostles so you don’t get confused. Not that it’s gonna matter much, because I’m going to come again while some of you are still alive, so it’s pretty much a moot point.”
You seem like a smart guy. That fact that you can’t see that you have just chosen which parts of the bible conform to what you already think to follow, and built up an explanatory interpretation justifying it, baffles me. Seriously. How can you not see that?
Yes, you can be “devout” and expect your dog to be in heaven.
It’s all a convoluted web fairy tale. Since none of it makes sense, and there is no one single authority, nobody can overrule anybody else about what they believe or whether they think that is Christianity or devout.
Are you actually asking someone to cite a passage in which Jesus says that the Old Testament law no longer applies? Okay, then, Mark 2:23-28. But anyone who’s read the gospels or any significant portion thereof knows that that’s one passage from among an enormous number in which Jesus directly, specifically overturns the old covenant law.
We’re unable to see it because it’s not something true, but rather something that you made up in order to make yourself feel good.
Seriously, ITR, are you kidding me? You realize that people can see more of my post than what you selectively quoted simply by scrolling up a couple screens, right? Because deliberately taking a quote out of context and then answering a question I did not ask and implying that I am foolish for asking it could be considered a form of lying, which I’m pretty sure would offend the OT, Jesus’s teachings, and the teachings of the apostles, leaving you with no scriptural sanctuary to hide in.
But just in case anyone besides you doesn’t realize that my entire post that you selectively quoted from is still there for all to see, I’ll reiterate that what I asked Friar Ted for was the chapter and verse where Jesus said that he would be sending some other people along in a few years to contradict what he had just said, and that to understand the bible you would need to have the super secret decoder ring that would let you know which of the mutually exclusive commands from the OT, Jesus’s teaching, and writings of the apostles you were supposed to believe.
I could have sworn we’ve had “Why don’t Christians follow all the Old Testament/Torah Mosaic Laws?” threads before, but I can’t find any good examples right now. But I think FriarTed gave a pretty good short answer above.
The thread title made me think of the famous G. K. Chesterton quote, “The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried.” I’d have to go re-check the context to be sure what he was specifically referring to, but to the extent that “true Christianity is never practiced,” it is IMHO not that people don’t follow the Torah, but that they don’t live up to (and sometimes don’t even attempt to live up to) Jesus’s difficult commands, such as to “Love your enemies.”
You’re exactly right----I saw all of your post. Every bit of it. And I’m even more unimpressed. You’re now asking cites from FriarTed—in spite of the fact that you offered none of your own. (and it was you that responded to him)
Make your point. (without the juvenile metaphors, please) Use cites to make your point.
Fair is fair. If you have something intelligent to share, back it up. I’m quite sure FriarTed is capable of responding, if the last couple of your posts are any indication.
We’ve had a slew of these threads the majority of which deal with homosexuality; attempting to make the point that it is inconsistent to wear mixed thread clothing, eat shell fish and still condemn homosexuality. (all, according to the various threads part of OT requirements)
So, by your definition, what should you do? What action does your definition require, or perhaps suggest to you? Is simply despising me enough, or do you need to silence me?