True or False: Muscle weighs more than fat

I’ve heard that muscle weighs more than fat, and I’m curious as to a) is this true, and b) if so, how much more?

I ask because I recently discovered that I currently weigh between 195 and 200 pounds (5-foot, 8-inch male).

The last time I weighed this much was ~15 years ago at age 27-28, when I had just quit drinking. I was a beer drinker, and at the time I quit I was drinking a minimum of 12 beers/day. All that beer translated into a lot of fat. I also wasn’t getting a lot of exercise despite not having a driver’s license (lost to a DUI at age 26) - I lived only a few short blocks from my job, and stores were also close. I took the bus for longer trips.

My quitting drinking was followed a few short months later by my finding a new job that was 2 miles from home. I took the graveyard shift which meant I had to walk or bicycle the distance as our local buses stop running at 7:00 PM. In less than a year the combination of increased exercise and drastically reduced calorie intake resulted in my weight dropping down to a more appropriate range of 165-175.

By choice, I went a total of 15 years without a driver’s license, preferring to walk or bicycle as much as possible, and I was able to maintain a weight range of 165-175 for that time period. But once I hit 40 I decided it was time to start driving again. Now, after less than two years of driving my weight has ballooned back up to 195-200. Not from beer this time, but from eating and reduced exercise. I’m once again working only a few blocks from home, so walking or bicycling to work daily would still not get me to the level of exercise I got in the past.

Now, with those details out of the way, there is one thing that brought the statement about muscle weighing more than fat to my mind. At ~170 pounds, I comfortably fit into jeans with a 32- or 33-inch waist. When I weighed ~200 pounds at age 28, I had to buy jeans with a 36-inch waist. Now, at age 42 and ~200 pounds, I comfortably fit into jeans with a 34-inch waist. Same jeans — Wrangler 13MWZ “Cowboy Cut” jeans — not modern “relaxed fit” jeans. Also, when I weighed that much at age 28, the weight was as apparent in my face as much as my gut and butt. Not so now. And even though I currently have a roll of flab around my middle (which has appeared since I started driving again) that I’d like to be rid of, I can suck in my gut and, unless I’m shirtless, it’s not readily apparent that I’ve gotten “fat”. I couldn’t do that at age 28.

So it occurred to me that 15 years of walking and bicycling really built up my leg muscles, far beyond where they were when I was 28. My current job, which I’ve had for 2-1/2 years, has also contributed to improving my upper body strength. I think it’s safe to say that my body has a greater proportion of muscle mass now than it did at age 28. That, combined with my pants waist measurement, tells me that muscle must weigh more than fat. How correct am I?

(Note: I’m making an effort to bicycle more because I’d still like to get rid of the fat.)

Human body fat: 0.918 gm/cc
Human muscle: 1.049 gm/cc

http://mb-soft.com/public2/bodyfat.html
http://ajpheart.physiology.org/cgi/...full/278/1/H162

For comparison, the density of water is 1 g/cc

So by shaping up, and converting 1 kg fat to 1 kg muscle, you will lose 22% volume of the 1 kg, or approx 200 ml.

Thanks :slight_smile:

Another factor occurs to me: bone density. When I was taking a class on drug & alcohol treatment at the community college I learned that alcohol reduces bone density, while weight-lifting/resistance exercise increased bone density. So all that bicycling over the years could have contributed to heavier bones.

Just a shout-out to all the nitpickers of the world.

Muscle weighs exactly as much as fat. One pound of muscle weighs the same as one pound of fat.

Muscle is denser than fat, so it weighs more per unit volume.

:smiley:

Hear hear, Exapno!

I actually have plastic models of both a pound of fat and a pound of muscle, which I pull out at my Weight Watchers meetings any time someone tries to feed me this line. :smiley:

Can’t site this but I seem to remember reading that bicycling does very little to increase bone density. It is aerobic and does increase muscle strength. Bicycling can definitely help you lose weight.

I am a bicycler so I have no agenda to denigrate the positive effects of bicycling. That being said, a bicycler should supplement their fitness regimen with weight training just to increase bone density.

Yes, that’s exactly what I meant - hence the ‘same weight/smaller pants’ bit :slight_smile:

Note that I wasn’t denying that I weigh too much or that I need to take off some fat. I’m just trying to puzzle out the pants thing.

Huh. I’d think all the uphill riding I do (my town is uphill in every direction, in much the same way that the wind here blows 30MPH in every direction at once :stuck_out_tongue: ) would have the same resistance effect as lifting weights with my legs.

Maybe simply cutting out all the alcohol allowed my bones to gradually regain proper density.

I have a suspicion that if everyone in a given region was superfit and strong and well muscled, their BMI stats would still say they’re “obese”.

I used to work out at a Gold’s Gym and they had a poster in the office showing two guys, same height, same weight. One was very fit and muscular and the other one was just plain fat.

Even I find that comment annoying.

Another nitpick: you cannot convert fat to muscle. You can lose fat and gain muscle, but one is not converted to the other.

Which is heavier, a pound of rocks or a pound of marshmallows? :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes, BMI is mainly used because it’s very convenient. Whenever you see a news report about how people who live in a given area (whether the US or your state or wherever) are overweight, they are always using BMI in their calculations.

But BMI is hardly perfect. Extremely fit people tend to show up as overweight or obese.[sup]1[/sup] Others who the BMI show as being normal are actually too fat. It would be much better if they found people’s body fat percentage and reported statistics based on that. But that’s too difficult/expensive, so they don’t do it.

I do wonder if anyone’s ever done a study comparing BMI with BF% and seeing if a correction factor should be applied to BMI stats. The main problem with this is that the correction factor may change over the years so they’d have to periodically redo the study.
[sup]1[/sup] To see an extreme example of this, pull up the height/weight stats for your favorite pro football team and calculate the BMIs of the running backs. They will almost certainly come up very obese, even though they probably have single digit body fat percentages.

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At the other end, I think a lot of people use this fact to try to convince themselves they’re not really overweight, they’re just in really good shape, ignoring just how much muscle a person starting at “normal” weight would need to put on to become a false “obese”.

Using myself as an example, at 1.85m tall, each BMI unit corresponds to about 3.5kg of body mass. My BMI is 23 and I’ve already got a decent amount of muscle. To be mistakenly classified as “obese” (BMI 30), I’d need to build up an extra 24kg (over 50lbs) of solid muscle. Doing that would require many months of dedicated adherence to a strict training and nutrition regimen. There’s no way it’s going to happen just by doing some push-ups in the morning and playing pickup basketball with my buddies on Saturday.

I mentioned the “really fit people getting classed as obese” factoid to my boss after he got his annual health check report back, and immediately a huge grin appeared on his face until I added “yeah, that’s what I told myself, too.”

BMI is a risk factor, not a precise measurement of health. What this means is that, if you take a group of 10,000 people, the ones with a very high BMI will suffer more weight-related diseases than the ones with a BMI in the normal range. It’s not valid for extremely fit people, but by definition, most people are not extremely fit.

Very true, it was sloppily worded.

Why? Weight and density are two very different things and it was a completely reasonable nitpick.

Because everybody who cares already knows. Also, it was very heavily implied in the OP that he was talking about mass per unit volume, and the very first response* gave a value of mass per unit volume.
*Mine! :smiley: :cool:

Zactly. There was not really a nit to pick there.

But there are some people who make it a policy to assume you mean the stupidest thing you could possibly mean by what you say. Some people even go so far as to make such assumptions having only read part of your post–like maybe the first sentence or two.

Who knows, maybe somebody like that participates on the SDMB every now and then.

-FrL-