The fact that wiretap requests were made by the FBI from FISA (and possibly granted) during Obama presidency were published by the Guardian in January. It came from the earlier report:
I am not sure of full Presidential powers in this, but I believe if Trump wanted to he could see those FISA warrants. Could be that is what prompted the tweets.
I read an interesting conversation on another board.
The claim was put forth that by publicly announcing the existence of a FISA warrant, Trump has declassified it, and therefore a FOIA request can be used to obtain transcripts. This assumes of course that there is a tap.
I’m skeptical. It seems to me that at most, he’s declassified the existence of the warrant (if that), but not the results of that warrant.
This is most likely exactly what it is. When a possibly unpleasant topic starts heating up too much, 45 throws a fit about something else to draw the media attention away.
Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
Clearly the Russia questions have been making him uncomfortable and building support for hearings. He doesn’t want that so he starts flinging lies on Twitter. The attempts to smear Schumer and Pelosi for public meetings with the Russian ambassador weren’t getting traction so he shifted gears and started spewing this nonsense.
These attempts at distraction say it all. If you’re innocent, why try to deflect? If you’re innocent, you should be demanding, and fully cooperating with, a full unbiased investigation.
It’s a lousy attempt at deflection. The wiretaps were in support of investigations regarding the Trump campaign’s associations with what now? Oh, that’s right - Russia. Even if people talk about this for a bit, it will only lead back to Russia. Russia. Russia. Russia.
When there’s constantly unpleasant topics heating up and he’s constantly tweeting some outrageous stupidity, I’m not sure you can safely say one is due to the other.
This isn’t aimed at the general public. This is aimed at the True Believers. They now “know” that Trump is innocent and won the popular vote. They also “know” that Hillary Clinton committed a number of felonies, Barack Obama was born in Kenya, Weapons of Mass Destruction were found in Iraq, and Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War.
I was wondering if the media was using the “good dog!” approach. There are reports that the best way to get Donald to behave is to praise him. Maybe they thought it would work. Hopefully, after falling for it so many times, the next time he manages to be “presidential” for a minute, they will ignore it.
The very, very obvious danger is a sequence like this in the near future:
Thursday: Conservative radio show says country X is invading and attacking an American military base in friendly to America nation Y. *
Friday: Breitbart reports this
Saturday: Trump orders strikes, country X demonstrates to their allies how unfair the strike was and all retaliate.
Move right along. Nothing to see here after the nuclear missiles start to fly…
Decades after, the government of the few city states that survived conclude that the invasion forces were actually soccer fans that vandalized a statue of Colonel Sanders at a KFC in country Y.
Sorry to call you out, but you seem to be the only Trump supporter that I recognize that has responded to this thread. I still have these questions for you and other supporters:
Is this the right way to make such a serious allegation?
Do you think an investigation will happen?
Do you think there will be wrong-doing on Obama’s part found?
There is no “right way”. If the allegation is true (that the FBI or some other agency, under Obama presidency, was tapping Trump tower), this is as effective a way to introduce it as any.
The extent of the investigation would be to get the FISA warrants and read them.
I am sure Obama was either completely removed from those warrants or has enough deniability so no wrong-doing on his part is ever found. In fact, there may be no wrong-doing on anyone’s part, if it was all done with all the legalities observed.
Interesting you think that. Personally, I would have thought a press conference or something more formal like that would be more appropriate if you’re going to accuse the previous president of a Watergate-level conspiracy. Trump’s own cabinet seems to be in the dark on what the source of the accusation is.
Would that be the FBI getting the FISA warrants? They probably ordered them in the first place. The Justice department? Who is carrying out the investigation?
So, if no wrong-doing by Obama himself will likely ever be found, is it still responsible to call him out by name the way Trump did? Do you think Trump has better information on this than his own Justice department?
It depends on whether it is a formal accusation or not. This does not seem to be.
The article I cited said it was the FBI. Well, a particular branch of the FBI.
Why not? There is no wrong-doing on Trump’s part (or Sessions’ part for that matter) in respect to Russia, and they are “called out by name” by the neo-McCarthyites all the time.
Where would you find one, though? Example: I think at this time only the batshittiest of the crazies could still claim that Hillary wasn’t innocent of any wrongdoing around Benghazi. She was investigated, and fully cooperated, how many times? How did that go for her?
Could this be used as an excuse to sideline Trump pending a forced psychiatric evaluation and possible removal from office?
Seeing as nothing has been heard from the White House in the 12 hours or so since this series of tweets, maybe he broke into the liquor cabinet last night and is sleeping it off now?