Hey I’m all for investigating Obama’s criminal conduct - let’s have a special prosecutor investigate everything involving Russia (or any other possible foreign or domestic actors/hackers) and the election.
Trump is truly an idiot for taking this route. He has the entire intelligence community at his disposal and is still relying on right wing talk for his intelligence reports.
He has zero credibility and we really will need a special prosecutor to get to any kind of truth.
That was a biased congressional investigation - we need an independent prosector
Thank you for responding!
Are you saying that this is a casual accusation of a Watergate-level conspiracy by the sitting president of the United States? That seems, uh, ill-considered on the president’s part.
Regarding the investigation, I mean who would investigate these allegations? Yes, the FBI would have been involved in the FISA request and that investigation, whatever it was.
I don’t know that we know whether there has been wrong-doing on Trump or Session’s part yet. You’re the one who has the position that Obama himself won’t be personally found to have done anything wrong, so my question stands about whether Trump should have called him out personally.
It is perhaps a bias of my background, but it is hard to think that it is very helpful with what we call the moukhabarat for him to be acting like this. It would seem to me to make very dangerous antagonisms with the parties that can find and leak the information that his infamous use of the Non disclosure agreements will not protect him from… Reminds me of el morsi.
As the observation of comte Boulay de la Meurthe “it is worse than a crime it is a blunder”, no?
Sure. Add it to the list of all other “ill-considered” things you think Trump has done.
Right now, apparently it’s Trump’s chief counsel:
(From NYT) “But a senior White House official said that Donald F. McGahn II, the president’s chief counsel, was working on Saturday to secure access to what Mr. McGahn believed was an order issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court authorizing some form of surveillance related to Mr. Trump and his associates.”
Quibbling. Yes, he should have. It was Obama’s FBI that did it. Ultimately, Obama is responsible (not necessarily legally) for what his departments do even if he did not order it himself.
As I said, it could have been all been scrupulously legal. All i’s dotted and warrants filed for. Still would be a dirty trick and Trump can still call Obama and his FBI out for tapping Trump tower during the campaign. Why not?
Or it could be a nonsensical allegation from a raving lunatic.
If Trump’s claims are true and he and his cronies were wire tapped by legal (judicially authorized) means, and they have nothing to hide, why the Sturm und Drang?
So it is the Intelligence court and you think it is the scandale like your Watergate, which was the ordering direct by a President as I understand it completely outside of the legal channels.
The accusation … well it is smelling of a certain despair. Perhaps it is better to try to make some illogical arguments around bankruptcy?
Ah…
so this Obama’s FBI, the same one that refused the comment during the election on the issues Russian relative to Trump and issued the repeated damaging statements against the President’s preferred successor, the Madame Clinton? Led by the Republican Comey who the Democratic party has been attacking for prejudice against them?
That is a very funny logic indeed. I guess it must be convincing to the extreme political partisan or the desperate.
To the outside observer it is … bizarrely laughable as the characterization.
Because it is a laughable and incoherent spin that except to your political tendency will seem both ridiculous and desperate?
That’s pretty clueless. Out of the country’s 130M or so voters, less than 10M are deeply enough interested in politics to wade through the facts and figure out their own opinion on the matter, based on whether the FISA warrants were fully legal, whether Obama ever ordered the warrants etc. etc.
The rest will hear “Obama’s FBI ordered wiretapping of Trump Towers” and draw the conclusions directly from that statement. Especially if the statement is actually true.
This response is more silly than your lack of comprehension of the limited liabiliy.
Or it is more bizarrely blind third world style political partisan.
Of course how the FBI that did not help at all Madame Clinton becomes the Obama FBI outside of the narrow blind tiers monde type partisan…
I read otherwise in the respected center right publication, the Hill, the Republican Senators are challenging the ranting:
It is again useful to quote the comte Boulay de la Meurthe “it is worse than a crime it is a blunder.” this strange demarche.
(but it is a very entertaining TV show, if not that you have nuclear weapons)
No, the three step process is only used for domestic affairs. For foreign affairs, Trump has an additional step: on Saturday, he calls Moscow and asks Putin what he should do.
If such wiretapping occurred, is it at all possible that it was justified and reasonable and had no political motive? Or is it impossible that Trump has done anything wrong, in this instance or any other?
Why does Trump still think presidents can actually order wiretaps? You’d think he would have already tried this himself and found out otherwise.
Sure. It is also possible (in fact, I’m 100% certain) that all the contacts between Sessions and the Russians were completely above board. Yet he’s being smeared, tirelessly, by your side. See how that works?
Sessions lied under oath about the meetings. Even if the meetings were completely above board Sessions deserves a healthy ration of shit for lying about them.
There is a small, small chance that a top-secret Fisa Court could have approved wiretaps against some person(s) in Trumps entourage as part of a criminal investigation – such as related to Russian dealings, or something else. These courts have I think 11 members. If something like this did happen, 1) it would never have been initiated by the president; and 2) with 11 members, it would be next to impossible to have something improper approved.
It sounds like Trump just woke up steaming this morning and decided President Obama had personally ordered this against him. Maybe those voices are speaking to him again.
Nope. In the context that the questions were asked, Sessions answered truthfully.
Here was the question that was asked:
"CNN just published a story alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week that included information that quote, ‘Russian operatives claimed to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump.’ These documents also allegedly say quote, ‘There was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump’s surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.’
“Now, again, I’m telling you this as it’s coming out, so you know. But if it’s true, it’s obviously extremely serious and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?”
It was clearly about some kind of collusion between Trump campaign and “Russian government”. Not about routine meetings between Senators and foreign officials (which happen all the time).
Claiming that this is perjury is purely a smear campaign.
Wrong thread. This one is for Trump’s ravings about wiretaps.
Surely there’s a better place to defend the lies told by the Soon-To-Be-Ex-Attorney General…
Here’s the OP asking politely that this doesn’t turn into a Sessions thread and that it stays focused on Trump’s statements regarding allegations of criminal activity against Obama personally and, I guess, his administration.
I’m not a mod, so feel free to continue this hijack, but I’m hoping this gets back on track. Thank you for your consideration.
ETA: Sorry, I didn’t see Bridget Burke’s post before posting mine. Thanks!
Sessions isn’t related to this topic. Please cease the Sessions hijack.
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