Absolutely. At this point there should have been general strikes, massive resistance, and city/state police arresting masked ICE hoodlums.
There has been passive acceptance and pre-obedience, along with a few weekend block parties.
My thought was, we don’t fly flags at half mast when some random person is shot and killed (or they’d never not be at half mast). So why do it for this random “activist” who had no official government position and as far as I can tell, has never done a bit of public service of any kind in his life?
He’s not even really a celebrity, even in the political world. I follow politics quite a bit, and when I heard Charlie Kirk was shot, I thought the name rang a bell but couldn’t remember who he was. (I thought he might have been one of the countless Trump lawyer losers.)
Because it owns the libs.
That’s all. That’s where we’re at now.
I find myself in complete agreement with you. Ho hum, another shooting, this one likely to jumpstart further repression so that sucks, but whadday gonna do? Too bad for his kids, but the guy’s no great loss to the world at large. Elsewhere I posted this:
There’s an old saying, “Live by the sword, die by the sword.” This can also apply to Second Amendment adherents who argue that some number of deaths are an acceptable price to pay for gun rights.
Legally correct? No. Morally correct? No. Practically speaking? We are beginning to see.
I’ve become so desensitized to the horrors of this timeline that Ican’t even get upset that I’m not really upset. Just numb as I wait for the next hobnailed boot to drop.
I am willing to bet Trump hopes for this so he can really get the military involved and go after political opponents. Trump is building a police state and the best way to do that is for him to say there is no other choice.
If I was a blue state governor, I’d comply and publicly announce that it was to mourn the school shooting victims in Colorado.
Again, he’s going to do that no matter what. The man had claimed a national emergency to enact tarrifs against everyone with basically no attempt at justification. He’s declared a national emergency to deport anyone he feels like, with basically no attempt at justification. He’s declared local emergencies to move federal troops into cities with basically no attempt at justification. He’s going to use those troops against Americans who oppose him. You think he’s going to stop if there no pretense for declaring an emergency? He’s never needed a pretense before. Shit like this makes the soundbites better, but they’re not necessary. All he has to say is “I did it because it was right, and it was right because I say so” and the fascists will applaud, because he says to.
People are saying that Trump had Charlie Kirk killed so that people would stop talking about the Epstein files.
Discourse: STFU.
[Batman narrator]
Meanwhile… in Nepal:
Take consolation in the fact that, if he had any moments of lucid consciousness at all after the shot, I doubt that he felt like he was winning.
True, and although he did and said terrible things, I am not feeling any joy at this.
I also saw the video of him getting hit by that bullet. If (generic) you haven’t, keep it that way. The injury was not survivable under any circumstances.
And I sure hope I never experience the fear that the people in the Orem area are still feeling, with the shooter still being at large as I write this (just before 10PM Central time).
Excellent post, but I want to add that it is by design that many of the effective forms of protest require extreme self sacrifice on the part of the protester. If effective means of protest are too easy, then people will do it. So the government makes effective protest illegal and/or difficult to organize, then pushes people to engage in useless, performative protests like signing petitions or marches.
Strikes can lead to job loss. Crimes result in arrest and prosecution. The Taft-Hartley act of 1947 made most of the most effective forms of mass strikes illegal and difficult to organize. That was by design. The goal was to take away power from the laborers.
Jury nullification is a very powerful tool of resistance, so I am waiting for a bipartisan effort to make jury nullification illegal the same way we had a bipartisan law passed to make the railroad strikes of 2022 illegal. There is already jury nullification happening. In places like DC and LA, prosecutors are having trouble finding enough jurors willing to indict people on felony charges for resisting ICE.
Prosecutors are starting to struggle to get 51% of jurors to vote to bring someone to trial, what happens when you need 100% of jurors to agree to convict at the trial itself?
Right now the only tools we really have are jury nullification, voting, donating time/labor and behavior which is illegal (strikes, resistance, etc).
I don’t think that’s a correct representation. Quite a few posters have said they just don’t care, but I think for the majority, it can be summed up as saying “I may celebrate that he’s dead (since he’s a terrible, harmful person), while absolutely rejecting the method of his passing, and fearing the consequences.” A sentiment I share.
I’m assuming you mean this comment:
Which in context, is quite different than your simplified take. And even then, @wolfpup went out of his way to acknowledge it may be callous, even if from an aggressively practical/emotionless POV it may well be fully accurate.
The world now has one fewer fascists, and an influential one at that. The way I see it this is cause for celebration.
Charlie Kirk worked tirelessly to expand the oppression and suffering of the weak. He was absolutely evil and the entire world is better off with him dead. I hope it hurt.
I Kirk was a left winger Trump would have said “I like heroes that don’t get shot in the neck”
Well said.
And to reiterate, yet again, Kirk himself said that people dying from gun violence was acceptable in exchange for our 2nd amendment rights.
When he said that, he probably meant school children and minorities were worthy of sacrifice at the alter of firearms. But maybe now when people say that, they will know it means them too. Which maybe will make them rethink it. Its much easier to be ok with gun violence when you think other people are the victims.
I remember that Trump had the flags raised for his inauguration day because they were lowered for the 30-day official mourning period after Jimmy Carter died.
So, yes, exactly.
Maybe this has been addressed here, but there were reports of a man with his pants around his ankles who was taken into custody shortly afterwards. He too was questioned, and while he seemed to have something else in mind, he wasn’t responsible for this.
Eta: Looking it up, that’s the same old guy we saw before. He appears to have mental health issues, and has been in and out of prison for various minor crimes over the years. He apparently told the cops that he shot Kirk, and the pants came off while he was being arrested in the scuffle. He’s been charged with Obstruction of Justice but doesn’t appear related to the crime at all.
Because it there is one think that could be called the Trump doctrine of governance it is the valuing of style over substance. It is a big crime related event that is garnering much public interest, therefore regardless of jurisdiction the FBI as part of the Trump administration has to put itself at the center of it.