To be fair to the poster, all types of baby poop are still shit.
My sense is this particular type, despite its extraordinary gestation period, is still meconium.
In Oklahoma Roy Walters steps down:
“Last month, Walters created a new “America First” teacher certification test for educators who move to Oklahoma from blue states, intended to ensure that they have the proper ideology before entering classrooms; and this month, he announced a plan to establish chapters of Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA organization at every high school in the state.”
His demise removes the immediate threat of Turning Point in OK schools.
To recap: you brought up “America’s Christian roots” in the context of Kirk and then kept doubling down on that bullshit until called on it, and now are declaring the topic a “nothingburger” that you “don’t want to litigate here” because you got your ass handed to you by actual facts.
In other words, you’re crying and running away like the weak and pathetic troll whose flimsy right-wing talking points crumble at the slightest touch you are. But keep telling yourself you’re winning - it will be just as obvious a lie as pretty much everything else you post.
Some of the founders were Christians. Thomas Jefferson notably thought belief in the divinity of Christ to be something to be grown out of, and literally rewrote the NT to focus on Jesus’s “philosophy” while removing all the “son of God” stuff.
And Madison saw firsthand in Virginia what having a state religion resulted in, which is why he was so vehemently opposed to it.
C’mon Pedro, post those debate ending David Barton quotes you have.
Don’t hold back, end this debate!
Totally agree. It’s very well put.
I also think you are making my case for me. There is nothing here that I’m aware of that Charlie Kirk would have disagreed with, despite the feeble attempt by some to call him a Christian nationalist (in the sense of wanting a non-secular state).
He never claimed to want a non-secular state but he did spout Christian nationalist rhetoric when it served his purpose. Which supports the view that his statements of faith were made in service to his personal and political ambitions rather than the other way around.
This was pointed in the last cite I made, twice posted already.
As a gay person, I would like to object to “Christian values.” Black people might helpfully point out how the Bible was used to justify slavery in America’s history. Neither of those things were part of early Christianity, but modern Christianity has a poor track record when it gets institutional power.
No thank you: keep your church and its “values” out of my state.
No, no, see… it wouldn’t be a Christian state, it would be a “non-secular” state governed by Christians who want the ten commandments posted in schools, and the Bible taught in schools.
The US was built on 18th-century Enlightenment values, not “Christian” ones. That there is some overlap doesn’t change that, any more than the overlap with, say, Buddhist or Hindu tenets would.
I’m never quite sure whether to count Thomas Paine as an official Founding Father or not (it’s like trying to decide who counts as a “Disney Princess”) but his influence on the creation of American democracy is undeniable.
ETA: Kirk is correct that the phrase “separation of church and state” doesn’t appear in the Constitution but so what? The First Amendment does.
To be fair to the poster, all types of baby poop are still shit.
My sense is this particular type, despite its extraordinary gestation period, is still meuconium
As for the right 's attempt at whitewashing Kirk, it is really a big effort to avoid dealing with what he said.
KIRK: The great replacement of white people is far more sinister than any redistricting project. That is at the core of the Democrat project, at the core. And Jasmine Crockett is just some circus act in that entire operation. But it’s deathly serious. She — you shouldn’t take what she says seriously. It’s just a joke. What she represents is very serious, which is the continue attempt to eliminate the white population in this country.
So true. I offer this quote from Kirk, which you can find in this NPR article. You can also listen to him saying this at about the 3:22 mark of the embedded audio recording on the page.
The body politic of America was so Christian and was so Protestant that our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in Christ, our Lord. One of the reasons we’re living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government, and they’re incompatible. So you cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population.
So you cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population.
Perhaps not Christian nationalism but damn close.
So he didn’t want a Christian government, he wanted a nation of Christian people. How did he propose to achieve that, one wonders…
Well, we’re currently cleansing the country of Catholics, who ARE NOT CHRISTIANS!
(Just channeling my inner Protestant bigot there)
When is the “Christ” part of “Christian Nationalism” supposed to kick in?
When He comes back.
And now, thanks to D&D we can kill that woke lich properly.
When He comes back, if what it says in the book is right, a whole fuckload of Christian nationalists are going to have a very bad not good at all day. That never ends.
“But Lord, we…”
“Get away from Me. I do not know you.”
I count four lies here.