“HOW CHRISTIAN WAS IT?”
“Awful!”
Oh wait wrong punchline.
And the portions are small because they keep slipping through the holes in the server’s hands.
It’s like the ghost of Ed McMahon is in the room.
It was so Christian…it thought its bible was a BLANK.
So Christian, they do think that Jesus was a Wimpy Woke guy and reject him.
I want to be fair about this. It does seem Kirk did not believe in the separation of church and state.
I tried to follow his argument on the founding fathers and christianity but it was all so uninteresting to me I gave up.
If anyone cares I do believe strongly in a secular state. My values align fairly well with Christian tradition but I do not believe in magic.
Hey, that’s my, and a significant part of the board’s, beliefs too.
Perhaps you should take some time and dig a bit deeper into other quotes from Kirk. Maybe he wasn’t quite as A-OK as you had thought a day or two ago.
The following is one if the most misguided, or perhaps deliberately misunderstood, interpretations of the 2nd Amendment.
I first heard this argument in the 1970s from liberals trying to explain the ferocity of the right for the 2nd A. I looked into it some, and found that the 2nd A was deemed necessary more by the fact the original US Constitution forbade a standing army (it is doubtful the the young US could afford one). Section 8 of the Constitution states:
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power…
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
Utilizing state militias was a way to negate the need for a standing army (it worked against England). Of course, to ensure that state militias would be armed, they had to ensure that “the people” had a specific right to be armed. The idea that the citizens of this new country would ever have the reason to defend themselves from a tyrannical government would be foreign to the founders as they believed they had created a form of government that would adapt to changes in public opinion through amendments. Specifically when treason is the only crime identified in the document and the only one where punishment is prescribed (hanging).
So, either they considered those taking up arms against the US as traitors or they wanted to be sure anyone who wanted to had a constitutional right to do so. The second option makes no sense. If you think the current government is too oppressive, change it! Is it too difficult to change this way? I doubt the answer is lawlessness (which a citizen uprising is). No. The people for which working with the system is too much trouble are likely not serious or they would work for change. That was true in the 18th century as it is in the 21st.
Then, we get this:
Well, that’s one way of looking at it, since nearly all Jews, Christians, and Muslims (perhaps even Hindu and Buddhists) have the same beliefs and values. I don’t think any of those religions believe murder, thievery, dishonesty, or extortion are acceptable.
Nextstar and Sinclair put Kimmel back on air.
Professor who got fired for post about Kirk ordered to be rehired.
Which is what I am doing. Someone having one opinion I strongly disagree with among many I agree with is the definition of A-OK to me.
There are also other positive and admirable things that defined him other than just his political opinions.
That’s another way to look at it. An incorrect and disingenuous way, but a way nevertheless.
What’s incorrect and disingenuous about it?
I live in a different country, often speaking a different language, but I have a theory that the surname “Kirk” and the vernacular Afrikaans word “kak” are synonyms.
Maybe our Dutch speaking members can assist.
It means church.
[I haven’t read the thread]
Take heart. This “I’ll fight to retain every single one of my 2nd Amendment rights, even if it means that every single one of your kids has to die” argument is where Martin_Hyde made his last stand.
The equivalence that religions have the same beliefs and values, like soccer teams who get to wear different jerseys.
No, some religions and religious beliefs are worse than others. Enlightened liberalism that underpins the foundation of the US was born in Christian societies. That’s just historical fact.
I am aware.
But as an atheist, that distinction makes little difference to me.
Christian governments like the English Kings are what the US was founded to change, leaders chosen by the people not God.