Trump could win the election in a nowcast by FiveThirtyEight

Trump is down to 8% on the now-cast and 22% on the polls-only forecast. This has been a very bad week for Trump.

World War II was noisy. Sprinkling plutonium on your corn flakes is not healthy. Space is big. Its been a bad week in Lake Trumpbegone.

Maybe Wang lurks here because today’s PEC entry directly addresses this issue. For any who want to get into the weeds he explains the basis behind his choice of prior and S.D. of current polling to final results and compares/contrasts with 538’s in, I think, a fair manner. He explains the uncertainty in determining what the uncertainty is and that he for now is using the larger uncertainty assumption (a less polarized electorate with more who are swingable, as in from 2000 and before rather than 2004 and after). He gives using econometrically-based priors their props even as he prefers his model that eschews adding in “fundamentals” but does end up with this comment:

House? Very, *very *unlikely. But the Dems will pick up some seats. It’s a start.

Senate? Possible, but again, the Dems will gain.

When do swing state poll results (rather than nation-wide) generally start popping up?

I know. I thought I’d hit the Nowcast first, since that’s about where it was yesterday. Even Polls-Plus has changed significantly (77.7%), and it’s the one that’s supposed to be slowest to react.

Now.

FL Suffolk Clinton +6 two-way +4 four-way.

PA Franklin Marshall Clinton +11

MI and NH not swing really but +9 and +17. NC Trump +4. NV Clinton +1.

Waiting for something new from OH. VA should be entertaining.

Good, concise post on this point.

Nowcast is at 91.5 Hillary (with Arizona and Georgia going blue). Anyone wanna take bets on what’s the highest it will go?

Say what you want about the value of the now-cast, but it sure is fun. :slight_smile: Right now it shows Clinton with a 50.2% chance of winning Georgia.

Well, it could go to 99 or higher. If you clearly establish one candidate has a lead of, say, ten points on Election Day, there is really no doubt they’ll win the election.

Georgia flipping in a Clinton easy victory makes sense. Large African-American population, and an electorate that’s increasingly urban, rather than rural.

Arizona is, …light blue!

IIRC, a few days ago Clinton was in single digits.

Yeah, Georgia isn’t nearly as deep red as most of its neighbors, it’s a state that will probably be genuinely purple in a few more election cycles and could easily be snagged by a Democrat in a down year for the GOP.

Polls plus shows Clinton at near 75%. This race looks over to me. Unless the economy crashes soon (I’m doubtful), or something damning happens, there will be no party change on the executive branch of the government.

I get the feeling that, if there’s other hacked documents to leak, it’ll happen sooner rather than later. You can’t just let someone sit at +10 for weeks, let everyone assume that the other guy is a big loser, and then hope that a news story drops them into second place at the last minute.

If accurate, a 1-in-4 chance of Trump winning is still not something I’m comfortable with. That’s still scary high for me. Those were the Brexit odds, at least according to the betting markets, at 8 pm on June 22, the night before the vote.

Talk about Cherry picking, in reality the polls were too close by the end and more polls did show an edge in favor of Brexit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/upshot/why-the-surprise-over-brexit-dont-blame-the-polls.html?_r=0

As for what is going now in the Clinton vs Trump contest, I’m confident that Clinton will win, but it will not happen if we are complacent.

That’s one reason I’ve supported Clinton: They’ve been trying to smear her for decades and nothing’s stuck. They’ve had an eon in political terms to invent some scandal and they haven’t been able to.

She has good ideas and is a good candidate, but neither of those things matter if she can be Swift-Boated before she has a chance to do anything.

I just picked the first one I found. Do you not agree that a 25% chance is high for something like a Trump presidency? The betting markets today have Hillary at 76%, just like they had on Brexit the day before. I am not cherry picking here. The links to polls do not translate to %age chance of winning. I am fully aware (as I have posted about this before) that some polls had shifted by the end to show that Brexit had a true chance of passing. But what were the odds? The best I can find is what the betting markets thought.

And, remember, too, that was from the day before. There’s still around 100 days to go, and while I can’t expect much higher odds than 75% right now, there’s still plenty of room for Trump to come back. If we’re still at 75% the night before the election, I’ll be worried.