Say, anyone seen my bunk?
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I’d love to test that… got any thoughtful disagreement?
I’d say- leave everything in the hands of State AGs. etc. Leave federal out of it. The AG of NY already has a stack on indictments ready, let her do her thing.
I don’t know you, and have no idea what you actually are good at, but debunking liberals isn’t it.
I like Bo’s Crazy Election Theory and I would like to subscribe to his newsletter.
Oh, crud. Kind of like the theme of this message board.
(mea culpa on Timey Wimey)
Somehow I think 4 years from now there’ll still be repercussions from Trump or his followers.
But he could still be a 2 time Impeached POTUS. Maybe that could be his consolation prize?
So, @azgem is claiming that Trump, in using the word “find”, was most definitely not implying “invent”.
Yet his defense to the charge of strawmanning is that people in this thread who simply used Trump’s own word “find” are obviously thereby implying invent?
Trump’s behavior reminds me of some of the patrons of a liquor store I used to work at. Their card would decline and the screen would say “insufficient funds” but they would insist that I try it again. We would only try it again so many times because never once did it go from insufficient funds to sufficient simply because we made the effort of doing it again. So if we are extremely charitable and say that Trump is ham-fistedly asking for another recount because he’s sure there is money in the bank in the form of 12,000 legitimate ballots with his name on them somewhere that someone just forgot about… well, they’ve done three counts by now. How many more times would he like them counted just to make sure? These are Trump Republicans doing the counting and they can’t find missing ballots or any evidence that said ballots were stolen/lost/etc along the way. And they have actually humored Trump as much as they possibly can but now he’s just getting obnoxious about it. When Dick Cheney tells you to knock it off, it’s time to call it quits. Insufficient funds.
Oh, I believe that Trump really believes that it was OK for him to pressure the officials to “find” 12,780 votes because he really believes that hundreds of thousands of votes were stolen from him.
But so what? I guess he can plead “not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect”, but that doesn’t make it not extortion. So you’re brilliant takedown of the liberals is that since Trump’s insane , he’s not responsible for his actions?
I’m sorry, but I just can’t get over the part where Trump insists that nobody would leave Georgia and then move back. I guess he’s not a Gladys Knight fan?
Trump’s lawyers do not, in fact, believe anything of the kind.
However judgmental one might feel about attorneys, they are obligated to observe a code of professional behavior in the courtroom. Their assertions before a judge are subject to standards of objective reality. They are free to make claims about their case, but they must honestly believe these claims and they must be able to show a basis for making them. If they make assertions that are unfounded in either known or discoverable fact, they put themselves at risk of professional sanction, including fines, loss of their legal license, and imprisonment for contempt.
There is a huge gap between what Trump’s attorneys say when they’re in front of a TV camera or a journalist’s microphone, and what they say when they’re in front of a judge. The former is theater, for the benefit of the mouth-breathing base, working up the rabble with empty grandstanding. The latter is a more true reflection of their actual provable beliefs. Because, in the courtroom, if they stray from the latter into the realm of the former, they put themselves in jeopardy of being Rule Elevened.
If you are arguing that their statements in the former context are an accurate representation of their professional opinion, while disregarding the huge gulf between those statements and their formal claims in the latter context, then your argument is disconnected from any understanding of law, attorney practice, or, indeed, reality.
Or Hoagy Carmichael!
Moderating
Any questions or complaints or what have you about moderation belong in ATMB, NOT Politics and Elections.
I’m sorry, but I can’t even make enough sense of this to rebut it, because I don’t know what you’re trying to say.
The laws and the Constitution rarely force people to do shit. They mostly tell you what certain actors can’t do.
But you’re saying here that because one party believes its President can do no wrong, the other party shouldn’t do shit about it when that President blatantly commits exactly the sorts of actions that impeachment is clearly the appropriate remedy for under the Constitution. And the Senate gets to make the choice for both houses of Congress, which also seems rather bizarre.
And I understand that prosecutors won’t bring a case if they can’t get a conviction in a fair trial. But if they have an open-and-shut case, are they supposed to stand down if they know the jury is going to vote to acquit anyway? Seems again like that gives a veto to bad people, not only on the outcome, but on the entire process.
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Nowadays, who knows? But during the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, plenty of people thought the worst he did was those expletives that were deleted, and that he was forced out by a partisan railroading. I ran into people like that all the fucking time back then.
One of the guys Loser Donald just pardoned has a tattoo of Nixon on his back.
I’ll give you two guesses what he thinks about the guy.
I don’t believe that song specifically mentions moving back to Georgia after leaving. However Colbert had an entire list tonight of singers who might have changed their addresses to other states then needed to reregister to vote in GA, including
Jim Croce (Walking Back to Georgia) and Charlie Daniels (The Devil Comes Back to Georgia).
I should note that there is one special circumstance with Nixon that wouldn’t apply now, because things are the way they are: if Nixon hadn’t resigned, the Judiciary Committee was ready to change its vote to 38-0 on the obstruction of justice article, and while the votes of the full House and Senate probably wouldn’t have been unanimous, they’d have been very close to it. Maybe some people would still have claimed it was a partisan railroading, but those votes would have proven otherwise.
TIL that Charlie Daniels made a lazy-ass sequel to the original song.
Problem is, he’s not the only one out there.
Well, yeah, if you keep doing something after the first warning you get another one…
No. It’s just that you’re wrong. Your facts are wrong. Your man Trump lost the election and apparently you’re having just as much trouble accepting that fact as Trump is. You’ve debunked nothing, just repeated lies and falsehoods that we know are untrue.
Yeah, no one is saying Darth Cheney is a nice guy but honestly, if Darth Vader says you’re doing a bad thing you’re doing a bad thing. Trump lost. End of story. Recounting again is not going to change that. Hell, even discrediting the Georgia election results won’t change that, threatening the Georgia elected officials is just spite and anger, the search for a scapegoat because just as Trump can’t cope with being a loser he can’t cope with being held responsible or suffering the consequences of his actions.
Other than the Presidential race, the Republicans actually did pretty good in Georgia. That means Republican voters must have split their ticket, voting mostly Republican for officials AND voting for Biden as President. The vote wasn’t a rejection of the Republican party, it was a rejection of Trump.
I disagree with this statement. We have the official records from court cases where Trump lawyers, when called to provide evidence, provided none. We have at least one instance where, after insisting election monitors weren’t allowed in the vote counting room the lawyer had to admit the number of monitors were greater than zero. Absolutely at least some of the Trump lawyers know the truth, which is also why a lot of the legal rats have jumped ship.
I’ve long thought that his unscripted speech patterns may be a sign of Alzheimer’s, having had family members go through it. <
Yup. Or senile dementia of some kind, it’s not just Alzheimers. A helpful medical professional pointed out that the elderly tend to resort to looping, repeating things over and over. It explained a lot of what we were having to deal with. Frankly, Trump is up there with Woodrow Wilson for staying in office while mentally incompetent.
I can’t wait to see what happens in a little over two weeks from now.
I think you may have misread my paragraph. That’s exactly what I’m saying. The Trump lawyers make arguments in public, and then they make totally different arguments in the courtroom, because they know their public arguments are bullshit.