I am not a conspiracy theorist. I believe Oswald, acting alone, killed Kennedy; I believe we landed on the moon, and walked on its surface; I believe that vaccines are one of the safest, most effective things modern medicine has given to the world; I believe the Twin Towers collapsed because terrorists from al qaeda flew planes into them; I believe COVID-19 occurred naturally and spontaneously in China, and was not contained due to disorganization vs. the nature of the virus.
But I am prepared to believe that Donald Trump conspired to rig the 2020 election.
I am prepared to believe that the reason he is so incredulous over his loss is that he was certain he had bought the election, and it was a foregone conclusion long before November 3.
I am prepared to believe that he is calling and threatening people because he cannot come right out and say “Dammit, I paid you for a win, now give me what I paid for!” but that’s what he means.
@RTFirefly if it makes you feel better the morning talking heads are saying the word “impeachment” again, so apparently some people are talking about doing that again. Maybe it would work. I’d be happy to be wrong on this and a second impeachment actually being of use.
He didn’t have to conspire to win to believe he won - he had to see/accept the results @ midnite on the 3rd and ignore ‘the rest of the votes’ that were counted after midnite (the mail in votes).
His calls to count ‘all legal votes’ is hilarious given that he really doesn’t want ALL of them counted.
I’ve been reluctant to call for prosecuting Trump for anything related to Russia-gate or any of his other obvious misdeeds. My position has been, go after his minions instead and put the fear of God into any future lackey who believes that the power of the presidency can insulate them from future prosecution.
But I think this takes the cake: I think that Biden’s Department of Justice should seriously investigate what has happened with this phone call and prosecute Trump for attempted election fraud, if the statutes will allow for it. There has to be a line somewhere; otherwise, we’re just emboldening future presidents to do the same, and worse.
No, it’s not. Raffensperger has worked very hard to disenfranchise voters. Georgia’s possibly unconstitutional “Use it or lose it” registration laws allow him to do so, but certainly don’t require it and would be stupid laws even if they were determined constitutional. Telling Trump you aren’t willing to break the law for him, while taking every single “legal” tactic to disenfranchise voters that might lean against him, is not what I consider a demonstration of democracy, dignity and honor.
Raffensperger is absolutely doing the right thing in not breaking election laws for Trump. Raffensperger is still a shit-stain standing in the way of universal suffrage. And Kemp makes Raffensperger look good.
I’m beyond frustrated. I’m outraged, frightened, and saddened. That doesn’t mean that I get to ignore actual factual events, or tell someone who’s reporting them that their post is not even the same neighborhood as the truth.
No one, least of all me, is giving anyone a “participation trophy.” A specific poster made a specific post using specific terms. I responded to that specific post, using that post’s specific terms. That’s it.
As much as you seem to want to have an argument with me about what else Raffensperger may have done before the election, I’m not going to argue with you about it or defend him for those actions, or Kemp for that matter.
I was responding to a specific post that used specific terms about the specific topic of this specific thread. That’s it.
Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger is a Republican, and in fact was a outspoken Trump supporter before the election, and he is standing up for democracy, dignity, and/or honor.
Not being willing to commit election fraud is not standing up for democracy, dignity, and/or honor. It’s showing a desire to stay out of prison. If you had simply stated that he was correctly standing up to Trump, I wouldn’t have any issue with your post. Instead you wanted to assign him virtuous attributes which he doesn’t possess.
You conveniently snipped out the specific post I was specifically replying to:
In the specific context of this specific thread, the phone call between Raffensperger and Trump, Raffensperger, in @bobot’s words, did stand up for democracy, dignity and/or honor.
I assigned him no virtuous attributes. If you want to believe that he acted purely out of a self-interested desire to stay out of prison, I won’t argue with you. I don’t know what was in his heart. That doesn’t change what his actions actually were in this specific instance.
All the times Trump mentioned “certified” results left me scratching my head.
The minimum number it could be because we watched it and they watched it certified in slow motion instant replay if you can believe it but slow motion and it was magnified many times over and the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.
But Brad, if you took the minimum numbers where many, many times above the 11,779 and many of those numbers are certified, or they will be certified but they are certified. And those are numbers that are there that exist.
So that’s it. I mean, we have many many times the number of votes necessary to win the state. And we won the state and we won it very substantially and easily and we’re getting, we have, much of this is a very, you know they’re certified, far more certified than we need. But we’re getting additional numbers certified, too .
Germany: This is they moved back in years ago. This was not like something just before the election. So there’s something about that data that, it’s just not accurate.
Trump: Well, I don’t know, all I know is that it is certified. And they moved out of Georgia and they voted.
Who is this outside entity that they have certifying vote tallies, and out-of-state voter registration information, and slow motion instant replay?
