Trump’s new low (re: backstabbing NATO)

And wouldn’t that happen with an attack on NATO? Or am I misunderstanding NATO Treaty Article 5, which says " an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all"?

Americans for America! Easy as that! What have other nations ever done for us? /s

Yep. The old GOP despise the “godless commies”. Now, some of them love Putin.

Yep. But you see, Putin has something on trump.

Yeah- definitely some of the blame for WW2 goes to Chamberlain, Most to Hitler and Tojo of course.

Admiral Canaris leaked info to British intelligence that if The Allies stood up to Hitler over Czechoslovakia , but Hitler tried anyway, the German generals would depose him. However, communist members of British Intelligence, such as Kim Philby told the Government that Canaris was lying. So, yes, in a way, the failure of MI6 and Chamberlain to stand up to Hitler early, did lead to WW2. However, note that this was just a failure to stand up to Hitler early- Hitler was the ultimate cause.

Well, that’s exactly the problem. That is what the treaty says, but it requires Trump to actually do that, and he’s already said that he won’t. A Trump presidency will come with a compliant GOP Congress, and that will be all she wrote for NATO and Article 5.

So let’s say that Russia attacks Western Europe, and then NATO asks the US to follow the treaty, and the US does, declares war against Russia, and then Trump acts to aid Russia in some way. Then absolutely that would be treason.

But I don’t think the US is automatically at war because a treaty says they are. The treaty is a pledge. The US would still have to follow it.

ETA: Ninja’d by @Horatius

nevermind.

But is it stupid?

trump hates Europe because when he was with the European heads of state he could sense their contempt and scorn. It was the exact same contempt and scorn he witnessed directed at his slumlord father by the old money of New York. The more they sneered, the more he seethed. At least that’s my theory :slightly_smiling_face:

I wonder if Trump sees himself as Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, going back to the snobs in the boutique later.

Excuse me while I get a turkey baster to squirt some bleach into my ear to try to clean my brain after that thought.

And I think it’s a good one.

This desire for petty revenge actually explains everything. We’re in this mess because Obama made fun of him at the White House Correspondents Dinner.

It was a beautiful display of roasting.
But we’re in this mess because Republican voters let the fucker in, then covered for him, and continue to do so.
I will never blame Obama for Trump. I will blame the fuckers who voted for Trump.

I thought we were in this mess because NBC was paying him less than Christina Aguilera? Still petty revenge, any way you slice it.

Turns out their problem wasn’t with the USSR’s centralized dictatorship unfriendly to entrepreneurism* but strictly the godless part. All Putin had to do was restore the Orthodox church to something resembling its role under the czars, and they were hunky-dory with the rest. :roll_eyes:

*a kleptocracy where oligarchs milk the public at the expense of constantly kissing the uninherited czar’s ass isn’t any more friendly to actually entrepreneurial business than Soviet bureaucrats were.

Republicans don’t think that thoroughly. Trump likes Putin, Republicans have sold their souls to Donald Trump, real estate con man. That’s the whole thing.

Well, if Congress were to declare war, that would make Russia the enemy by definition, and giving Putin aid and comfort (by refusing to meet our NATO Article 5 obligations) would be treason, as defined in the Constitution, wouldn’t it?

It would be.

At which point it would be time to try to convene an impeachment in the House, followed by a conviction in the Senate. Followed by a finding that he must be removed, not merely censured.

Good luck getting that through a MAGA-dominated Congress.

Exactly. Everyone who thinks that laws will save us from any of Trump’s excesses need to understand the “But what if we didn’t…?” philosophy that underlies everything the GOP has been doing. They have obstructed every good Democratic policy they could, and supported every bad Republican policy they could, mostly by just refusing to do their job when required.

Or another take on it - why do some people expect laws to be followed by people who have already demonstrated a disregard for laws?

I don’t suppose it would have the slightest effect, but one could say to Trump and his supporters that two can play at that game - except that there are 30 other NATO members, who may not be so responsive next time the US wants help, whether in the North Atlantic area or elsewhere. And would the US be that keen on a revived European Defence Community or something similar?