Okay, so you are saying that we do not need to engage all of the Trump supporters. Thank you. You never said that before, you just said that we needed to listen, empathize and understand the Trump supporters. Now that you have given us permission to write off a substantial portion of them, that makes it easier.
I am speaking vaguely, because I am trying to speak to the concerns of tens of millions of people, each with different concerns. In this discussion, ti is hard to be specific.
But a good job is one in which you put in an honest 40ish hours a week, and it puts roof over your heard, food on the table, supports your children, and leaves a bit left for the luxuries of life.
A good life is one in which you are not subjected to violence, oppression, or deprivation.
All that fun stuff are the luxuries that are not necessary to live, but are useful to be fulfilled. Everyone has a different definition of the fun stuff.
Because she actually had a plan, he had slogans. Her plan was superior by dint of existing. Was it indisputable the best plan possible? Probably not, but it probably was the best plan that would be politically practical.
Depends. Are strawberries the only things that anyone is buying? If so, then everyone needs to grow strawberries. If you wanna grow grapes, that’s fine, but if no one is going to buy them, then that’s not going to do you any good.
Pining over the manufacturing jobs that are not coming back short of implementing a command economy and requiring employers to hire people for outdated jobs is not useful. If you are not skilled for the jobs that are offered, then you need to learn a new skill. Part of Clinton’s plan was to fund skill retraining programs.
If the problem is that there are no jobs withing a thousand miles, then you are either asking the government to move some jobs to you, or you need to move. That I saw, I do not know if Clinton’s plan called for relocation assistance, but I think it did. If not, it is something that I would agree needed to be added.
I am in the midwest. I did not finish college. I struggled quite a bit for many years going from one job to another. When the 2008 economic collapse came, I lost pretty much everything. It was only by the skin of my teeth that I was able to keep my house. I couldn’t find a job that supported me, much less a job that I liked that supported me. Even trying to go back to college to finish my degree ended u just dumping a a crap ton of student loans on me.
I could have whined. I could have complained about how unfair it was. I could have blamed Obama, or china, or Clinton, or whomever for my woes. It was tempting.
I took another path. I made my own job. I started my own business. Was it a business that I knew and loved? Hell no, I always dreamed of owning a restaurant, instead, I own a dog grooming business. But I learned and adapted, and did a good job of it. Now I am employing myself comfortably, making more than I ever did working for others, and I have also created, at this time, 12 good paying jobs in what I like to think of as a pretty positive work environment.
That’s what I did to help to improve the country and my community. What have these trump voters done? How can I convince them that they need to buckle down and get to work. That this country was not made great by sitting back and letting others bring you jobs? That this country needed them to get off their asses and do something productive, rather than just whine that it’s not fair.
No one likes to be told their an idiot, you are correct. No one likes to be told they are wrong. No on likes to be wrong. No on like to have reality shoved in their face to demonstrate how very wrong they are.
But they ar wrongm, and if they can’t acknoledge that, they are idiots.
You said ealier that there are those that we are allowed to write off. Are the willfully ignorant among that group, or do you have aplan to reach those who refuse to listen?
Great advice, and it is possible that if every single Clinton supporter had followed it, then we may have pulled another percent or two in Clinton’s favor, and that may have been enough to win the election. Part of the problem is that now you are saying we have to police every single person on our side. If just one Clinton supporter says anything that can be construed as elitist, rude, or nasty, then your people that I am trying to reach use that one individual to blow off the entire side. I have heard on this Message board and in real life, people saying that they are not going to vote for Clinton because of something that some Clinton supporter said. So, how do I reach someone who has already been alienated by one of the other 50 million people on my side that may not have been as tactful as you suggest that every one of us be?
For those who want to burn it all down, and rebuild from the ashes, I know tow things about them.
One, they have never built anything. Are you (royal you of the people that supported trump to tear the system down) going to be beside me, laying brick on brick, or are you going to be sitting in your entitlement bubble, complaining that it’s the wrong color, ti’s not big enough, and what’s taking so long?
Two, they’ve never been in a fire. It’s sounds great to soak everything with gas, light a match and fan the flames. But what is your plan after that? Do you think that it is going to be fun to have the place burning down around your ears? Are you going to be down in the basement with me trying to get the blaze under control, and trying to help those who are trapped? Or are you going to be looking to escape the consequences of the blaze you started?