Trump voters are most of the people upset about staying at home

I would take it to mean that you’re unaware that Hong Kong is a different place from China. Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan were not communists. “Wuhan Flu” already exists, works just fine at what you’re going for, and you didn’t need to try to “improve”. Sometimes it’s better to let other people do the hard work of calling China China.

China is, arguably, a criminal country that deserved something like a Trade War. The pandemic hasn’t really moved that needle, so far as global fraud and IP theft is concerned, and we are already engaged in said Trade War, so there’s nothing to gain from trying to rally support for the idea. It’s like trying to convince people that we should really get over there and take on the Nazis - circa 1944, three years after already entering the war. That boat has already sailed, landed, and is bombing the beaches, my friend.

Everyone should stop with the partisanship and calling each other names and blaming one side or the other.

This pandemic requires ALL of us to be nimble in our thinking, and adaptive in our strategy. We clearly do not know enough about this virus to really understand what’s going on. Leaders around the world have sent confusing, conflicting messages. And the pandemic looks VERY different in some places vs others.

As we learn more about this virus, previous positions will become invalid. People need to be able to change their minds. But the minute it becomes political and partisan, people’s positions harden and it becomes difficult to change minds when they need to be changed.

The truth is, both sides have a point. I brought this up before, but let’s revisit this scenario: Let’s say there is no vaccine to be had, and this is going to go on until we build up herd immunity. Let’s also stipulate that the shutdown is extremely costly, in terms of money and social cohesion, and it will get costlier as time goes on.

Under this scenario, it seems to me that the strategy would be to open up just enough that we don’t overwhelm the health care system, but otherwise expose people as fast as possible. A lockdown so tight that only .5% of the population is infected and ICUs are at 10% capacity may well be too strict, as it means we will have to shut down for a LONG time before we reach herd immunity - probably too long to be sustainable. In that case, as supply chains dry up and people go broke you could see mass protests, insurrection, and completely lose control of the ability to control the spread. That would be a disaster.

What’s the correct strategy in that case? It seems to me that the correct strategy would be pretty much what is planned: Open up in phases, small trials here and there, being willing to tolerate a moderate rise in infections, but always ready to back up and lock down again if the cases spike too high, to avoid overwhelming the health system. That would be the fastest way to get to herd immunity with the minimum amount of death and dislocation.

Also, in that case it makes sense to open up the least-affected and lowest population density areas first, and those tend to be ‘red’ areas. Clearly, New York has to stay on lockdown. But does nowheresville Idaho, with total current cases equalling zero?

Unfortunately, the correct strategy depends on a lot of information we just don’t have yet. But politicians need to have the flexibility to say, “we’re going to try this”, and then later say, “Well, that didn’t work. Back to the previous plan.” They will only do that if they are facing a reasonable electorate willing to accept that conditions change, and decisions have to change with them.

But if we all retreat into our little partisan corners and keep blaming the other side, attacking politicians who change course for being wrong, stupid, or evil, or unquestionably supporting ‘our’ side even when the facts change, we are freaking boned.

If there ever was a time for understanding and looking past political differences, this is it. But apparently, that’s not going to happen.

So, in lieu of a vaccine, we went to social distancing and shut-downs, which as many point out we don’t do for the flu. Even with that, covid-19 killed more Americans in six weeks than flu did in all of last year.

I’m not saying I was opposed to social distancing. The two extremes wanted either enough months of social distancing to elect Biden or ZERO social distancing. I tend to be in the middle, where the President is. So far, he has been right all along and I trust his judgement.

[COLOR=“Blue”]As I said in my prior post - the puts us on track for around 350,000 covid-19 deaths by next February, which means it will be the third most common cause of death in the US. That from a disease that didn’t even exist last year.[/COLOR]

Could have been a lot worse if a Democrat had been in office and not shut down flights from China and then Europe. It could have been a million, easily.

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I don’t know what this “kung flu” thing is. I thought we were talking about covid-19 in this thread. If you want to start a thread about a different disease please feel free to do so.**
You know what it is. And you’re just acting triggered because I came up with a cutesy name for it. And you’re not being clever by claiming you don’t know. You’re just making us laugh at your TRIGGERED status.
No, but we’re about a third of the way there in just six weeks.

And again, I haven’t been opposed to what has happened up to now. The President has been right about everything and I trust his judgment.

**Let me clue you in to something.

The economy has ALREADY crashed. That horse has left the barn. The entire world economy has crashed, not just the US. Every economy everywhere. It’s just that the pieces of the wreck haven’t quite come to a complete halt yet.
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But it wasn’t because of Trump’s policies. And if you liberals think you’ll be able to blame Trump for this economy in November, you’re going to look like idiots. Right now, this economy is about on the level of the Obama disaster. And nobody wants to go back to that.

Whether we stay on lockdown or open up wide and get even more deaths it doesn’t matter, the US economy has crashed.

The economy has not crashed. That’s like saying the disastrous Obama economy was a crash. We’re not even close to a crash. And some businesses (Like Walmart) are making a bundle in all this. I wish I had owned toilet paper stock because Charmin and Angel Soft are flying off the shelves.
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The only question now is how we stay alive long enough to rebuild without the streets going Mad Max.
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If Hillary had been president you would have had to worry about that. At this point, we already would have been looking at a million dead and martial law declared. Fortunately, the American people grew brains in 2016 and did the right thing.

Are you deliberately using a racial and inaccurate phrase so as to ‘trigger’ people and to laugh at them?

I would take it to mean that you’re unaware that Hong Kong is a different place from China.

What does that have to do with the subject of the thread? And by the way, since you apparently haven’t been paying attention, Hong Kong became part of China in 1997.
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Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan were not communists. “Wuhan Flu” already exists, works just fine at what you’re going for, and you didn’t need to try to “improve”. Sometimes it’s better to let other people do the hard work of calling China China.**

See, THIS is why liberals are so much fun to trigger. They come completely unglued. You’re peeing your pants because I came up with a pun for the coronavirus. We’re all laughing are asses off.

China is, arguably, a criminal country that deserved something like a Trade War. The pandemic hasn’t really moved that needle, so far as global fraud and IP theft is concerned, and we are already engaged in said Trade War, so there’s nothing to gain from trying to rally support for the idea. It’s like trying to convince people that we should really get over there and take on the Nazis - circa 1944, three years after already entering the war. That boat has already sailed, landed, and is bombing the beaches, my friend.
It took a great President like Trump to show us all that.

Another thing: Politicians who seek to use this to advance partisan goals (“Never let a crisis go to waste”) are doing immense damage because they force the issue to become political in the worst way, and feed into the anger/paranoia of the ‘other’ side. That goes for Republicans and Democrats, and all politicians in other countries.

This is a time to say, “We aren’t trying to change the world here. Our preferred outcome is that things wind up back to normal.”

If Republicans try to use this to create a new Republican-friendly world of low regulations, or Democrats try to use this to push a Green New Deal, we’ll never be able to make coherent choices.

How on Earth could this be possible with Trump as president? He’s incapable of decency, incapable of understanding, incapable of putting others first, etc.

We’ll just have to do it without him.

What race?

Is it any more racial and inaccurate than to call the President ORANGE MAN? You people burn crosses while chanting that all the time. You can dish it out, but you can’t take it.

What race is smeared by the term Kung Flu? Are you aware that a REALLY white David Carradine played a Shaolin monk in the TV series Kung Fu? (And that series WAS Bruce Lee’s idea. He was supposed to get the lead part, except that Hollywood at the time thought he was TOO Oriental looking).

Were you triggered when a black singer wrote and recorded “Kung Fu Fighting?”

I’d tell you to lighten up and grow some tolerance, but you libs are so funny when you’re triggered.

CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM WINNER Rush Limbaugh said it best. Liberals are very dangerous when they are in power and they are hilarious when they’re out of power.

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So far, he has been the most decent president since Reagan. He understands more than you liberals can possible fathom. And he has put AMERICA first. He hasn’t wiped his ass on the Constitution like his predecessor.

He is likely the greatest and most intelligent president in the history of America.

Well, if I was liberal then you might have a point.

Belief and reality are two different things. I am glad that you are happy and believe that our Republican winner of the 2016 election is competent and honest. But it is provably wrong at every level. You can go over boring financial info, criminal records, and other things that have no partisan spin one way or the other and double-check what’s real, free of all Liberal and Conservative bias.

I would happily do that with you. You won’t come out quite as happy, but you’re probably not happy going to get your prostrate exam either. It’s still good for you.

OK, it generally helps when you’re talking to other people to use the same words in the same language. We are discussing covid-19, which is sometimes abbreviated to “covid”. It would be helpful, if you are referring to that disease, to use its actual proper name to avoid confusion. Especially since not everyone on this forum speaks English as their first language.

Flu occurs year round. It tends to increase during the winter, but in reality you can catch it any time of the year.

This statement is just bizarre.

Hoover was a Republican. Food stamps didn’t exist in his day.

Where are they going to send it?

Do you not understand that this affects the entire world?. There are no more intact economies anywhere.

How do you know what “side” I’m on or who I intend to vote for?

Wouldn’t know about your situation myself. I will say that I live in a red state, as I’m gathering from that statement you also do.

If you want to get back into the economy so badly why don’t you apply to Walmart right now? Why didn’t you apply a week ago? Two weeks ago?

The store I work for has been hiring steadily for a month now, in many cases with the understanding that those folks intend to go back to their prior jobs when they open up again. Which is OK. We need them to replace the current staff when they get sick. Which is happening. In fact, my company has had at least four deaths from covid-19 and dozens of workers out on quarantine with the virus.

I’m out there working every day. As I said, if you want to be among the people still working you are welcome to apply to whatever stores in your area are hiring right now at which point you will no longer feel pressured to stay home. Indeed, you just might find you’re working long days six days a week depending on your local area. It will definitely keep you busy.

We have heard a few people say he’s an asshole but is advancing the causes they care about. You are perhaps the first here (or anywhere) to say he’s a decent person, much less the most decent since Reagan.

Again, congratulations on being the first to make such a claim (other than Trump himself) (or maybe Sean Hannity).

This reminds me of a scene in a movie where a guy beat his girlfriend, then said, “I’m sorry, it’s just that fucking Nixon!”

This is a GLOBAL pandemic. Trump isn’t the beginning and end of it, and his actions aren’t that much different than the actions of many other leaders around the world. He’s made mistakes and good calls. He’s also an ass that does things like bragging about the ratings of his press conferences while people die. That’s who he is. It isn’t going to change. But you know how to get the worst behaviour from Trump? Keep reminding him that this isn’t just a pandemic, but war between right and left, and that his re-election depends on riling up his base against the other side.

Um… no we’re not.

Our current economy resembles a compact car post-80mph impact with a brick wall. Bits and pieces are still spinning down the street but it’s pretty much at a halt.

To be fair, that brick wall is “covid-19 pandemic”, it’s not the fault of any political party or human individual.

Trump is Trump, and his behavior has nothing to do with those who criticize him. Refraining from criticizing him won’t change anything except to make it easier for him to say and do shitty things. And it won’t change anything about those who support him.

It’s ridiculous to suggest that his critics refrain from criticizing him for the shitty things he says and does when he’s not going to stop saying and doing shitty things.

How Sam can engage in bothsiderism without blushing as one side is actively cackling about triggering libs is beyond me.

He has demonstrated unbridled contempt for every worthwhile virtue to which the United States of America has ever aspired, done his best to roll back every gain she has made, and behaved like the most abominable bully throughout his life.

These facts make him an America-hating fuckstick.

Trump’s budgets (that he passed) have not cut funding to any welfare programs.

https://stats.areppim.com/stats/stats_usxoutlays_62x19.htm

And that includes two years with both branches of Congress being held by the Republican party.